Why are you mentioning me? I didnt wrote that.

The agnostic thing is actually a bit of a misconception that most people have, agnostocism in its simplest definition is the belief that it's impossible to know for certain if there is a god. It doesn't actually define your position on whether or not you believe that one exists.

I think you're talking about the people who haven't made up their mind as to whether or not god exists, I'm not sure if there is actually a proper term for that.

For example I'm both agnostic and atheist.

Also I never claimed that atheists were more moral than anybody else, because I don't believe that they are. I simply believe that they are no less moral than anybody else.

thats exactly what i believe as well.

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When did anyone ever say that atheists are better than anyone else? Are you telling me we've spent all this time arguing about something NOBODY SAID? AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHH

morals morals morals, morals are wrong. the only moral we have is "kill in need" humans are machiavalian, our society is a distopia which is blinded by propaganda.

He said he believes atheists are no less moral than anybody else. I believe they are not more moral than anybody else. Its the same belief

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The Arguement was originally about someone, I believe pizza saying Atheists are less moral than those who follow a god.

To make it short: Atheists are godless infidels.

Atheism is live and well in China. China respects human rights and child labour laws gets children into factories to work to make goods for the wealthy nations in developed world. Child labour helps countries get out of debt and well child income help support their families and pay their own way in life.

No Human rights and executions without trial is the way the world should operate. China today, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany had the right stance on human rights- right? Economic saboteurs are sentenced to death in Atheist "Capitalist" China and Russia. By believing man is God, he is a slave to the state system under a Chinese Communist or Capitalist system. 

Islamic nations under Shari'a (Islamic) law hands chopped off for theft in Iran. Law courts are a waste of tax payers money. Bring back the death penalty and do not delay just carry out as soon as guilty verdict is yelled by the angry mob. Mob rule, down with democracy. Mob rules and Islamic law is carried out according to the full extent of the conservative Islamic law.. 

No or limited defence trials would help save tax payer money. Trial by witch hunt. Shari'a law delivers justice for Islam against the criminals.

Islamic nations and Chinese governments do not waste tax payers  money on useless socialist programs that add no value to the economy.  

Be a good Atheist and embrace the Chinese way of life. China is the leader exporter and the largest creditor. China has a great economy, who cares about its stance on human rights? China is a democratic nation.  UN endorses China as the greatest nation on Earth: human rights approved and well china is keeping the rest of the world afloat by buying up your nation's debt.

Atheists are moral/ethical people: China and Russia are the two leading economic power houses that leave USA dead in their track.

Anything and everything is ok to make a living even if it means breaking the ethics law or codes of morality. 

Morals exist as part of the human condition not as a product of religion.  Humans are social animals that live in groups.  Like any other group animal we developed certain traits which allowed us to live together in relative harmony.  We certainly would not have made it far as a species if our ancient ancestors were nihilistic murders.  In short we do not kill each other for the same reasons a band of monkeys do not kill each other.

Religion on the other hand creates their own moral code which exists solely within the confines of their own religion.  For example sex before marriage may seem immoral to a fundamental Christian but marriage itself is an idea created by man. It has no meaning outside the confines of that religion’s particular beliefs.

Personally I believe that it is immoral to unjustly persecute someone.  Homosexuality is a completely natural phenomenon just as heterosexuality is and occurs in countless species.  Now it would seem pretty odd to persecute someone for being a homosexual but some religions do so on the grounds that it is a sin. A sin?  According to whom?  Well their own religious code, of course.  So now we have the odd case where a group which claims to have moral superiority commits immoral acts and convinces themselves that this immoral act is somehow virtuous.

Religion didn’t invent any of the real moral codes, they are innate.  As for the rest (don’t eat shellfish or pork, work on Sunday, etc), that is just a bunch of extra stuff they made up along the way.

In closing, there is no reason why an Atheist would be less moral than a religious person.  In fact, since they are not saddled with many of the odd and often conflicting notions religion introduces they are probably less likely to commit an immoral act out of confusion or a misguided sense of right.

The hell?

I'm not sure wether or not you are making a sarcastic argument stating that atheists are like China and therefore bad. If so that's a complete crock. What do China and Russia have to do with anything?

Also, nice post ND3G. Very interesting points, and ones I didn't necessarily think of. Thanks for the informational ammo.