lol, well thanks. No brother, sorry.

And if you read my last post, I am not one who thinks what the church is doing is right. I just think what there doing is exposing a greater wrong that's been being covered up for years.

Whenever you have a Muslim Extremest commit a crime, the government and media are quick to say that man was crazy, and alone. What he did has nothing to do with being Muslim.

They say this, because 95% of the religion is peaceful, and they don't want everyone to equate these acts with those people.

The problem is, there is a percentage that's not peaceful. A well organized, well funded, sect of the Muslim religion we really do need to know about, and combat against. That small percentage is hiding behind the larger religion, and we are letting them.

This church did a great job of showing the world they are still there. People want America, and it's way of life dead, and 99.99% of them are Muslim.

I am sure I can find a religious organization in the US that have equally offended Jews, Buddhist, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, Wiccan's, and a dozen other religions, who have no members wishing the extinction of the US over it.

We need to know, and be remembered, these people are out there. To say the Muslim religion has nothing to do with it, is dishonest to the American people.  

Find me a you tube video of any other group, who's people or leaders chant "Death to America". I can find you dozens of videos showing Muslims doing it.

Again, I am not saying all Muslims do it. I am saying all that do it, are Muslim.

I see where you're coming from, Mafoo, but I don't think it's working at all. The problem is that a lot of people - especially in the political and media classes - flatly refuse to deal with the issue at all. Many of the very same people who insist that Muslims are victims and under constant attack in the US (despite hate crime statistics showing no such thing) will turn right around and list the fact that people may very well be killed over this among the reasons why this stupid book burning stunt is, well, stupid. The irony is totally lost on them.

I'd love to think that this dickbag pastor might accidentally serve some greater good and start a conversation about Islamic extremism and deferential treatment towards particular religions, but denial is a river that flows through too many people's collective anus. If exponentially more articulate individuals like Kurt Westergaard and Salman Rushdie can't wake them up, a mouthbreathing Westboro Baptist Church supporter like Terry Jones sure as shit can't.

I haven't got any videos on-hand, but I'm pretty sure the Westboro Baptist Church constantly calls on God to wipe America off the map - they really cranked it up around the time of Katrina.

Even if you can find one, it's not about "See, I found one, your wrong!"

It's like saying the Catholic church does not have a problem with molesting little boys, because 98% of the priests don't do it.

Or, the example that applies to this post, is like saying it's not a problem because other men molest little boys.

Saying the Catholic church has a problem with child molestation, is not saying ever priest is a child molester. I think people understand that. Why then, when I say the Muslim religion has a problem with something, people think I mean everyone in it?

May I be entirely candid?

@TheRealMafoo

Whenever you have a Muslim Extremest commit a crime, the government and media are quick to say that man was crazy, and alone. What he did has nothing to do with being Muslim.

Well most of those people are crazy, considering what they believe and what they do. Religous texts say lots of things, but most religious people have personal interpretations of said texts and generally pick certain values/commandments over others. So you could say that in the end it all comes down to the individual in situations like these. Plus you can't deny the nationalist sentiments that also fuel these individuals' actions. Many of them don't like that fact that the US interferes with their home countrie's affairs. So this is not just about religion. Also replace the term "crime" with "terrorist act", as "crime" is to ambiguous, and can ecompass petty things like shoplifting.

The problem is, there is a percentage that's not peaceful. A well organized, well funded, sect of the Muslim religion we really do need to know about, and combat against. That small percentage is hiding behind the larger religion, and we are letting them.

Everyone knows they exist. Lot's of people think all muslims are like that (Islamophobia has never been more widespread). This particular church hates muslims in general, and thinks all muslims are terrorists.

This church did a great job of showing the world they are still there. People want American, and it's way of life dead, and 99.99% of them are Muslim.

As I said this church believes that all muslims are terrorists. Their actions did nothing more than insult and anger ALL muslims, not just the terrorists. I'm pretty sure the terrorists will use this church's acts as proof that Americans want to destroy muslims and recruit new members from third world muslim countries where people don't have access to good education and information. And I'm pretty sure North Koreans don't like Americans either, and they're not mulsims, so it's wrong to say that 99.99% of America's enemies are muslim.

I am sure I can find a religious organization in the US that have equally offended Jews, Buddhist, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, Wiccan's, and a dozen other religions, who have no members wishing the extinction of the US over it.

I'm pretty sure there are at least some Christians, Jews, Buddhist, Hindus etc. who would be crazy enough to want to destroy a whole country because they were insulted. It's ridiculous that you think that only a radical muslim could think like that. Why do you think American right wing Christians are so obssessed with guns?

We need to know, and be remembers, these people are out there. To say the Muslim religion has nothing to do with it, is dishonest to the American people. 

As I said, most believers of a religion have their own personal interpretation of said religion. Some beleivers have similar interpretations and they tend to flock together. That doesn't meant that the religion itself is to blame, and members of all religions could behave in such an extreme way (granted the Abrahamic religions seem by far to have the most violent extremists). I suppose you blame Christianity for the abortion clinic bombings too? (if you don't then you're inconsistent in your views)

The difference is that the Catholic Church is an official institution, while those extremist muslims are not at all representative for all muslims.

Of course :)

It's down to shitty wording (candidness is the difference between "poor" and "shitty" in this case).

Now what you meant was "extremist" Christian action compared to extremist Muslim action; I get that. what it comes across as, though, is you talking about hte debate specifically surrounding this mosque controversy, which means that you're equating the people wanting to build the mosque (or just arguing in favor of it) with Islamic extremists.

It's a communication problem. Nothing more.