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I'm not religious, but I do believe in a person's freedom to believe in one. In theory I actually have no problem with most religions, my problem is how they have been twisted and abused. Having read most of the bible, it's amazing how its teachings and message have been totally lost on so many. Like when I see these hard Christians inciting hate and intolerance due to race or sexuality, have they not read the Parable of the Good Samaritan?

Burning the Quaran isn't clever, it's wrong and a dickhead move.



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sad.man.loves.vgc said:
TheRealMafoo said:
sapphi_snake said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:
sapphi_snake said:
sad.man.loves.vgc said:

Trust me I was shocked by his post, like.. really shocked! He always sounded mature , smart and honestly, hot! and I creep on his posts whenever possible, I qouted him out of many because I was you know... shocked!

Hot??? Lolz. Now he knows you love him .

Anyways, I don't mean o stereotype, but I almost always hear conservatives say crap like this.


yeah but he is married to a beautiful woman so :)

Well, maybe he has a twin gay brother named therealfafoo .


lol, well thanks. No brother, sorry.


thank you sapphi for getting my hopes up for nothing! :(

Sorry dude. But... You can always clone him . You just have to find a way to genetically manipulate the clone into turning out gay.



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So I found out all the temples, churches, etc around the moron's church is going to read from the Quron on 9/11. Kind of interesting to know that Catholic priests are going to read something that isn't their own religion. lol



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Killiana1a said:

Under the US Constitution, you have a right to free speech, but you do not have a right to be protected from the reaction to your free speech.Such a reaction may very well be the church being burnt to the ground by arsonists who took offense to the burning of the Koran on 9/11/10. It is not out of the imagination and many people including myself wouldn't find it surprising to say the least.

That being said, I do not respect or wish anyone that unfortunate circumstance. I don't condone criminal activity as a response to the exercise of free speech.

What I do condone is a mass burning of the Bible during the week of Christmas in front of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, FL. This would be a proper response and a reasonable exercise of freedom of speech.

I'm pretty sure arson is illegal, even if you're burning down a church for offending your religion.

And you would have to have quite a lack of faith in Muslims to think that they would respond to the burning of a book with the burning of a building, or indeed even the burning of another book.

Some Muslims did something stupid, some Christians are doing something much more stupid. That's no reason for Muslims to try and outdo Christians in stupidity.



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I have to agree with Kasz here,it is wrong to burn the Koran,but it is equally wrong to build that community centre/mosque whatever people say it is.Why? In both cases these are acts of insensitivity and hate.Although there is nothing wrong,legally speaking with the mosque,it is incredibly insensitive to those victims of the attack and I don't see why they cannot move it somewhere else.The book burning is a retaliation and is just an act  of hate.Unfourtunatly i can see this issue boiling over and i think there will be some hostilities.



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

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TheRealMafoo said:

I am fine with that.

Every time a Christian Church funds, equips, trains someone, and sends them to kill, we call them Christian Extremists.

Find me one Christian Church that has done this. How many Masques do I need find to prove my point? 1, 5, 10, 100?

Really, I doubt you need to go that far to be labeled an extremist.The Church in question is definately extremest in their thinking, and the burning of the Qu'ran is definately an extremist act. It's a bad argument to say that they'rebetter just because they're less violent (for now).

And in the past there are great examples of Christian Churces doing just that (the Crusades for example). Nowadays Western nations are secular, and more evolved and civilised then they were back then so it's unlikely you'll find Christian chruches doing something as extreme as you said in a western country (though a mob that burns books today can turn into a lynch mob tomorrow). It's all related to how evolved and progressive a society is. You won't find many mosques recruiting terrorists in Turkey (secular country where most people are muslim), but you'll most likely find them in Afghanistan (primitive society with religion is deeply rooted in the national culture and where people are poor, conservative and have little access to quality education, hence are easily manipulated and don't think rationally).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kasz216 said:

No.  It wouldn't... and not it wouldn't.

You're just... wrong.  It just can't be expressed how wrong you are.

Once again, you show a complete disgracelful lack of knowledge about PTSD as well... to the point of where it's just... insulting now.  Compairing PTSD to homophobia... seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?  That's just so ignorant i don't kno where to begin.

A "sliding scale" arguement?  Really?   Sounds like the kind of arguement some people you'd disagree with who are on the more extreme stupid side would agree with.  Like this church.  They'd just make the arguement the other way.

I actually thought at some point you were going to try and articulate a real argument since you've seen to show displeasure and making imature and insulting arguments in the past but... screw it.  I'm done.

Whatever argument you gave was much too filled with emotions to stand. If those people really have PTSD (not that it would matter, as they're not that many from what you said), then they won't want to see a mosque anywhere, hence it shouldn't matter if they build it on ground 0 or not. What's next? Their PTSD doesn't matter. It's their problem. I never seem to hear veternas protesting war movies/video games 'cause of their PTSD.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

No.  It wouldn't... and not it wouldn't.

You're just... wrong.  It just can't be expressed how wrong you are.

Once again, you show a complete disgracelful lack of knowledge about PTSD as well... to the point of where it's just... insulting now.  Compairing PTSD to homophobia... seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?  That's just so ignorant i don't kno where to begin.

A "sliding scale" arguement?  Really?   Sounds like the kind of arguement some people you'd disagree with who are on the more extreme stupid side would agree with.  Like this church.  They'd just make the arguement the other way.

I actually thought at some point you were going to try and articulate a real argument since you've seen to show displeasure and making imature and insulting arguments in the past but... screw it.  I'm done.

Whatever argument you gave was much too filled with emotions to stand. If those people really have PTSD (not that it would matter, as they're not that many from what you said), then they won't want to see a mosque anywhere, hence it shouldn't matter if they build it on ground 0 or not. What's next? Their PTSD doesn't matter. It's their problem. I never seem to hear veternas protesting war movies/video games 'cause of their PTSD.

woah,dont show too much sympathy



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

Who cares?

It is legal to do it and just the same as burning flags. As long as nobody gets hurt then whats the big problem?

Why do idiots have to take this kind of thing as a personal insult? This is the issue, people think that they need to take matters into their own hands.

Surely (according to the quran) this man will be sent to hell anyway and burn for eternity so why do some muslims want to kill him when that punishment is (according to them) just around the corner.



The Qur'an (Koran) and Hadith are unique among all the sacred writings in the entire world -- because they alone counsel its followers to make war on unbelievers and to behead them.(so much to the religion of peace) Any thoughtful reader will be forced to admit that evil literally "drips" from their pages.  One in every 55 verses in the Qur'an consists of this fake god Allah insisting that Muslims make war on unbelievers and to behead them.

The Crusades were a reaction to the Muslim crusades against the entire world.
In the 7th century, the Muslims took control of Jerusalem, and in the 11th century they began to hassle, kill, molest Christian pilgrims in the Jerusalem area. The Muslim Turks even attacked Rome and Belgrade in 1456 A.D.  The Crusades were also in response to the cries of help from the eastern Byzantine Empire, which was very worried about the military threat to it from the Seljuk Turks. So if the Christians did not respond, the Muslims would have conquered all of Europe and wiped out Christianity from the planet. The Muslim high point in Europe ended when they were turned back from Vienna on September 11, 1683 A.D.   (Did this have any significance to Osama bin Laden's sick mind?)

Every Christian who participated in the Crusades, did so, against the teachings of Jesus.
However, in retrospect, the Crusades probably allowed the western world a thousand years of freedom from the diabolical Islamic religion. The Crusaders stopped the expansion of the Islamic empire. This allowed Christianity to prosper in Europe which preserved the gospel for the rest of the world to receive.

 SPAIN UNDER THE MOORS
Neither was Spain under the Muslim Moors the jewel of Islamic tolerance that it is often purported to be. In 920 A.D. all the inhabitants of Muez were put to the sword. Cordova, Zarajoza and Merida were burned to the ground, with all adult males executed and all women and children enslaved. In AD 1066 all the Jews of Grenada were slaughtered. In AD 1126, all the Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco.

CARNAGE IN CONSTANTINOPLE
Under Mehmet II the Turks conquered the great Byzantine capital, Constantinople. On 29 May, 1453 A.D., waves of Turkish soldiers swept into Constantinople, the greatest city in the world at that time, and put it to the sword. Priceless libraries and irreplaceable works of art were burned, the population slaughtered, even in the Hagia Sophia, the greatest Christian church in the world at that time.

For centuries the Turks demanded an annual “blood levy” of Christian boys. Parents were forced to hand over one out of every five Christian boys for service in the Sultan’s army as janissaries.

In 1860 over 12,000 Christians were slaughtered in Lebanon. In 1876 14,700 Bulgarians were murdered by the Turks. 200,000 Armenian Christians were slaughtered by the Turks in Bayazid in 1877. And in 1915 the Turks massacred over 1.5 million Armenian Christians. As recently as September 1922 the Turkish army destroyed the ancient city of Smyrna with its 300,000 Christian population.