So, if hatmoza's request for kratos came out worked, what would happen? Would someone then protect Kratos?

I'm trying to figure out what the point of his gesture was. I think hatmoza is a pretty smart guy, but not too smart, not khuutra smart. I think he's laying 2nd yomi down. But I think he was convincing enough to end up being protected in the end.

Can we protect ourselves? Or only prevent someone else from taking action?

Additionally, I think we should re-evaluate kantor as a possible SK. See, if he doesn't act, then he is randomly decided for, correct? If he doesn't act, and it doesn't seem like he will act since it looks like he's not reading the thread, he is virtually an SK. So, kantor is a liability, correct?

There are two possible solutions to this. Vote for him to be inactive, or lynch him. Inacting him may be a mistake because if he is not on, we may never get more information from him, or at least it may be too late. Lynching him would take out a questionable doubt down the road that might end up sparing the real SK. RIght?

thanks for the link. Very informative and it's way better arranged than the mafiascum wiki page.

I didn't find a mafia role that could recruit the SK on this page either, so I guess I was just overparanoid with hatmoza there.

1.  Bus drivers don't work like that.  They would have to know the target of the serial killer/vigilante to effectively move the kill to whoever they want it to be.  The sk/vig would just need to keep their target a secret.  The town could offer several suggestions, but there could not be one set choice.

2.  Good question.  My interpretation is that the serial killer would be cured if by Hatmoza even if he died the same night.  I'm open to hearing from others on that point though.

I agree that Hatmoza should be protected until he finds the serial killer.  Unless the cop comes forward with something.

Again, the bus driving role doesn't work like that.  I think it would be better for the serial killer/vigilante to get protection after he is converted, as long as the cop had not come forward at that point.

Prof, don't edit your posts. DO NOT do it! Double-posting is kosher in Mafia games, and I'll vouch right here that all you did was add text, but don't edit posts in th future.

Okay, now

Hatmoza's plan is actually kind of ingenius.

Night Actions occur in a certain order. It tends to go something like this: Switching (like the bus driver), Protection, Other Town Actions, Mafia Actions, Kill, in that order.

If Kratos had come forward then yes, Kratos gets all the protection. Why? Because hatmoza can recruit him. Even if hatmoza is killed, the recruitment still goes through, so the Town still gets a vigilante! Hatmoza's job is already finished even if h's killed. Of course the Mafia may not opt to kill him at all, since he would then just be a Vanilla townie, but he made this claim knowing full well that it would eventulaly get him killed.

On that note:

HEY DOCTOR. REMEMBER TO PROTECT HATMOZA TONIGHT. Unless Kratos comes out.

As to Kantor: I don't think he's Kratos. He just doesn't give off that kind of vibe.

I think Kratos coming forward would be great, though. A fully public vigilante is better than none.

Is there some kind of rule-list or faq on how this works? Godofwar3 didn't tell me about all that.

I, uh

I can't findi t on the wiki, oddly enough

Hrm

I'll keep looking but if somebody could help me out here it'd be great, I thought this was standard

Let's not jump to conclusions, guys.

Kratos could be the Serial Killer.

Kratos could be the Vigilante

Kratos could be something else entirely.

Until we know whether he's a good guy or a bad guy, we should exercise caution here.

Doesn't it occur to you that, if that were true, the Mafia would kill you tonight?

If you are who you say you are, then you want to live (everyone wants to live), but you'll die tonight.

If you're lying, and you're in the Mafia, the Mafia will know you're not the psychiatrist, and thus you stand to lose nothing.

And yet, I can't seem to believe that you would make the latter so ridiculously obvious. I think we need to wait this one out a little.

For now, though, FoS Hatmoza.

Just don't do it. It's not a soild rule, but it is considered game-breaking, kinda like camping in FPS. It's not forbidden, but everybody hates it. Editing looks like you have something to hide or you accidentally gave out information you didn't want to be revealed. You've seen the consequences it can have, just look at Kantor's editing.

As I said in the above post, I'm not so sure about Hatmoza. He's acting remarkably suspicious. Would he really bank on the Doctor's protection, on the first day?

But I suppose Doc doesn't have any other leads to go on, so it's not a terrible idea. Of course, that could change between now and nightfall.