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staticneuron said:
nathantay said:
I think it's funny that so many people think that bluray is the winner just from three months worth of sales figures and that most of those people only have a bluray player because sony forced them to buy one in the ps3. It's also funny that these people also rave that casino royal SHIPPED 100k copies but they don't say anything about it only selling less than 30k copies.  

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disc_Sales/Disc_Sales:_Casino_Royale_Tops_High-Def_Charts_All_Eyes_on_Happy_Feet/539

 

First of all 100k was rumored to be sold in the first week. If you are talking about 30k being sold on amazon then I don't think you understand what is going on.

 At CES 2007 it was estimated that every PS3 owner purchased at least 6 blu ray films. It would be amazing if Sony made people reluctantly purchase a BR movie..... 6 times over. People are claiming blu rays success after several months of intense sales.... sort of like how many here believe the Wii is going to win. So if by your admission blu ray's future is still in question then you would have to question that of the Wii's.

From a thread I created yesterday:

Thanks to a new research report from Sony, industry watchers are getting their best look yet at hard high-def disc sales numbers from Nielsen VideoScan, including per-title sales figures for high-def discs released on both next-gen formats.

Focusing on sales data for the week ending March 18 (the same week that Sony's 'Casino Royale' smashed high-def records by shipping 100,00 units to retail), it should come as no surprise that the VideoScan numbers released by Sony are favorable to the studio, with five of its releases ranking among the top-selling next-gen discs that week.

The numbers that week were equally as impressive for Blu-ray, which outsold HD DVD by a ratio of 9:2, and dominated the list of top-selling next-gen discs -- the HD DVD edition of 'The Departed' was the only HD DVD disc to appear among the top ten best selling high-def discs.

But while abstract ratios and percentages like these have been bandied about for several months now, the Sony report goes one step further, providing the first public release of hard sales figures for HD DVD and Blu-ray discs from Nielsen VideoScan, the home entertainment industry's leading source for competitive sales data.

Among the numbers revealed: as of March 18, VideoScan put the cumulative number of Blu-ray titles sold since the format's inception at 844,000 units, versus HD DVD at 708,600.

But perhaps most interesting are the per-title sales numbers for the top ten selling discs across both formats, which are provided both in the form of a weekly tally (again for the week ending March 18), and as year-to-date totals.

While these charts confirm the previously reported strong showings for such A-list titles as 'The Departed' 'Batman Begins' and 'Superman Returns' (with each clocking per-format sales totals since-inception of at least 28,000 units sold), they also demonstrate a very steep drop-off for titles outside of that top rung, with even discs among the top-ten best sellers that week moving fewer than 1000 units apiece:

 

While we should note that the VideoScan numbers are not all-inclusive (for example, they don't include discs sold at Wal-Mart or some online merchants), the lower sales numbers at the bottom end of weekly list and on display elsewhere in the report (where some titles are listed as selling fewer than 200 units since inception) are certainly still a sobering reminder that both formats still have a long way to go in their shared quest to supplant standard-def DVD.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/564

Being that only 844,000 Blu-Ray movies have been sold and that nearly 1,500,000 PS3 systems have been sold in North America it is highly likely that most PS3 owners have never bought a Blu-Ray movie.



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davygee said:
FishyJoe said:
davygee said:

VOD must still be years away from achieving anything.

With low transmission bandwidth along with low internet speeds, I cannot see how VOD can be achievable anytime soon.

IMO we will see BluRay, HDDVD or some other disc-based format take over from DVD for the foreseeable future.


The cable companies don't rely on the internet for transmission. They transfer via their local cable network. The speed can be 100s, sometimes 1000s of times faster than the typical internet connection.


Sorry talking about the UK here....even at that....you could imagine the kind of data transfer required for VOD and we aren't even talking about HD here.

I still believe it to be years from even starting.

Don't forget HD has been on the go for about 10 years now...even before DVD really came on the scene...and thats us just up and running.


In the USA, the cable companies are spending billions of dollars for such services. Most cable customers in the USA already have access to On Demand VOD services. Some markets even have fiber to the home. It's just a matter of expanding the library of content and improving some of the features.



 I do not believe it is sane to argue against videoscan and soundscan, they are damn accurate for what they track but what about the volume of the stores that they do not track?

http://videobusiness.com/article/CA6427994.html

I missunderstood the sales/shipped (damn sony) but they still sold more than 50% of the total shipped.

http://endrop.com/viewer.php?file=wiedzym2ntzi3nz4n42a.jpg 

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At a Blu-ray event at the CES, Mike Dunn, president worldwide of News Corp.'s (NWS) Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, said he believed Blu-ray will outsell HD DVD.

By the end of the first quarter of 2007, he projected Blu-ray sales to be three to four times higher than HD's.

"By the end of the first quarter, the format war is over," he said, noting Sony's recently released PlayStation 3 game console with a Blu-ray drive had boosted sales.

"I'm selling 70,000 discs a week. Sales are doubling every week. ... Average PS3 owners buy 6 discs," he said."

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242599,00.html

 This was at CES 2007, obviously the ratios must have been different at the time but it must go to show that PS3 owners are actually buying blu-ray's. 

 



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KohlyKohl said:
Hus said:
PS360N64PSXBOX said:
megaxl said:

dont forget the dvd XD

10 -1 vs bluray

i think the bluray or hddvd dont be a natural successor for the dvd, like the dvd to the vhs

 


 

Bluray is for HD tvs...It's HD. DVD won't go out unless the majority of people get an hD-TV.


every tv sold now is HDTV...


Go into most stores and 20% to 40% of the tvs are SDTV's. I have seen many people buying SDTV's not just based on their price and reliability but to them HDTV is just to much.


 you should probably tell your customers about the switch to a digital signal in 2009. Most SDTVs still dont support digital signals. 



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staticneuron said:

 I do not believe it is sane to argue against videoscan and soundscan, they are damn accurate for what they track but what about the volume of the stores that they do not track?

http://videobusiness.com/article/CA6427994.html

I missunderstood the sales/shipped (damn sony) but they still sold more than 50% of the total shipped.

http://endrop.com/viewer.php?file=wiedzym2ntzi3nz4n42a.jpg 

"

At a Blu-ray event at the CES, Mike Dunn, president worldwide of News Corp.'s (NWS) Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, said he believed Blu-ray will outsell HD DVD.

By the end of the first quarter of 2007, he projected Blu-ray sales to be three to four times higher than HD's.

"By the end of the first quarter, the format war is over," he said, noting Sony's recently released PlayStation 3 game console with a Blu-ray drive had boosted sales.

"I'm selling 70,000 discs a week. Sales are doubling every week. ... Average PS3 owners buy 6 discs," he said."

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242599,00.html

 This was at CES 2007, obviously the ratios must have been different at the time but it must go to show that PS3 owners are actually buying blu-ray's. 

 

Well, it all depends on what he was really saying and how they're making their projections ...

If he is saying that "PS3 owners who have bought Blu-Ray discs have (on average) bought 6 discs" he could very well be correct and it would demonstrate that (approximately) 10% of PS3 owners had bought Blu-Ray movies. On the other hand if he meant that "The average PS3 owner had bought 6 Blu-Ray movies" he would be lying.

 



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HappySqurriel said:

 



 

 

 

 

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/564

Being that only 844,000 Blu-Ray movies have been sold and that nearly 1,500,000 PS3 systems have been sold in North America it is highly likely that most PS3 owners have never bought a Blu-Ray movie.


 nielson accounts for 40% of the market.... can you understand the numbers now ?

So Br sales are past 2 million. 

 



nathantay said:
I think it's funny that so many people think that bluray is the winner just from three months worth of sales figures and that most of those people only have a bluray player because sony forced them to buy one in the ps3. It's also funny that these people also rave that casino royal SHIPPED 100k copies but they don't say anything about it only selling less than 30k copies.

 Well, 500,000 people in Europe will have it sooner or later, I'm still waiting for that email before it comes. Anyway, since the PS3's launch, even since every says its a failure, has increased blu-ray's sucess massively, taking it past HD-DVD quickly. I would guess this trend will just increase and more great movies are released on BD (Spiderman Trilogy, Pirates of the Carribean trilogy and many more), and as the PS3 gains steam.



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Hus said:

 nielson accounts for 40% of the market.... can you understand the numbers now ?

So Br sales are past 2 million. 

 

Does it really matter?

If the best selling movies are hovering around 100,000 units it is unlikely that more than 200,000 or 300,000 PS3 owners are buying Blu-Ray movies, thus my statement that most PS3 owners have never bought a Blu-Ray movie is (likely) correct. It also means that current sales of HD movies are well under 5% (probably close to 2.5%) of DVD sales.

At the same time it was commented on in January that Blu-Ray had passed HD-DVD in total movie sales yet (when this data was collected, obviously months later) Blu-Ray has not really gained much of a lead; certainly the biggest titles have sold more on Blu-Ray but it is possible that HD-DVD has a smaller (more dedicated) userbase.

 



HappySqurriel said:
Hus said:

nielson accounts for 40% of the market.... can you understand the numbers now ?

So Br sales are past 2 million.

 

Does it really matter?

If the best selling movies are hovering around 100,000 units it is unlikely that more than 200,000 or 300,000 PS3 owners are buying Blu-Ray movies, thus my statement that most PS3 owners have never bought a Blu-Ray movie is (likely) correct. It also means that current sales of HD movies are well under 5% (probably close to 2.5%) of DVD sales.

At the same time it was commented on in January that Blu-Ray had passed HD-DVD in total movie sales yet (when this data was collected, obviously months later) Blu-Ray has not really gained much of a lead; certainly the biggest titles have sold more on Blu-Ray but it is possible that HD-DVD has a smaller (more dedicated) userbase.

 


your statement is likely WRONG.

I got a PS3 and 2 BR movies..... Both have their hardcore fans that buy almost anything, differance is BR already has casual movie buyers.

Why do you think Br outsold hddvd 9-2 ?.....

Br sales were below hddvd without the PS3... but with the PS3 they are now 9-2!..... are you missing the connection ? is it so hard to see, seriously.

 

Look at the sales spike one week after PS3 is released.



Hus said:
HappySqurriel said:
Hus said:

nielson accounts for 40% of the market.... can you understand the numbers now ?

So Br sales are past 2 million.

 

Does it really matter?

If the best selling movies are hovering around 100,000 units it is unlikely that more than 200,000 or 300,000 PS3 owners are buying Blu-Ray movies, thus my statement that most PS3 owners have never bought a Blu-Ray movie is (likely) correct. It also means that current sales of HD movies are well under 5% (probably close to 2.5%) of DVD sales.

At the same time it was commented on in January that Blu-Ray had passed HD-DVD in total movie sales yet (when this data was collected, obviously months later) Blu-Ray has not really gained much of a lead; certainly the biggest titles have sold more on Blu-Ray but it is possible that HD-DVD has a smaller (more dedicated) userbase.

 


your statement is likely WRONG.

I got a PS3 and 2 BR movies..... Both have their hardcore fans that buy almost anything, differance is BR already has casual movie buyers.

Why do you think Br outsold hddvd 9-2 ?.....

Br sales were below hddvd without the PS3... but with the PS3 they are now 9-2!..... are you missing the connection ? is it so hard to see, seriously.

 

Look at the sales spike one week after PS3 is released.


I'm not sure whether you're reading comprehension is bad or if you simply ignore what people say ...