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Forums - Sales Discussion - Its time to admit it. PS3 will NEVER overtake 360.

I think the best way to look at it is if we go back prior to E3. PS3 sales were up year on year and 360 was down in a lot of areas. It was only really up in US/UK. To claw back the 1.5m they have or so Sony had to do a lot, they had a big price cut, a new model and released a lot of good games. In that period MS did almost nothing. No price cut for 2 years, in fact in some places it went up in price!, no new model, little in the way of exclusive games etc etc.

Point being a lot of Sony's momentum was down to there being no resistance from MS side. They were making profit, had a big lead over PS3, they had no reason to instantly follow Sony and reduce price. They waited their time. They let Sony play their cards because Sony needed to. Without Sony having the price cut and new model sales would of been bad and even the strongest of PS3 fanboy must admit that is true. Sony had to react to what was happening as let's be honest here they were taking a hammering.

Roll on a year and MS have started to play their cards. Everyone knew it was coming, it was no secret. There was no way MS was going to go into a 3rd year without having dropped the price officially for the 360. And as expected they drop the price and bring out a new model at e3. The realists were saying it for a long long time

In my opinion this is not MS's main card left to play. This is just a water tester. The real card they will play will be this new cheaper arcade slim. If it is the £99 rumoured then that will in my opinion be the last card MS do this gen. The console will sell by the truck load. The 1.5m Sony made back against the 360 could be wiped out pretty quickly.

As we all know sales are effected by momentum. Sony had it for almost a year. They did a lot to get it and they deserved the sales from it. They put out some of the best games of any gen on any console in the past 12 months.

The tide of momentum has now shifted back to 360. The new model is more expensive then the previous 360 but it is selling well. The real price cut will happen in a couple of months.

MS will have the new slim released in the rest of the world in the next month. The new cheaper arcade version. Kinect, But on top of that it has a couple of real AAA games in Halo and Gears. The next year is set-up to be very good sales wise for 360.

So the question becomes "what cards have sony got left to play to re-gain the momentum?".

A price cut? Sony announced recently they started to make profit on each PS3 sold. Obviously not much but profit is profit. Would they price cut and go back to making a loss? With the console now almost into it's 5th year i think they now have no choice but to concentrate on making profit. The company has not done so well over recent years making big losses. There will be no big price cut coming. A small £25 cut at best.

A new model? Not even a year since the last one, not going to happen.

Move. Buying a console and move will cost you in the region of £400. Not many people will be paying that to play move. Move will dominantly be people who already have a PS3.

GT5. This is the last true AAA game Sony has left. The game is massive and will sell millions and millions. But soon as November hits, the game is gone. Beyond that period the titles look very weak in comparison to what MS will put out. Gears 3 and Fable 3 will sell more then Killzone 3,Resistance 3 and Twisted Metal combined.

So personally i think MS have played this gen perfectly in terms of timing. This holiday will be the last big holiday for 360. Beyond this holiday they will have played their cards. There will be nothing left for them to do but start thinking about the next gen. By the end of this holiday i expect the 360-PS3 gap to have again reached 6m. At that point it becomes nearly impossible for PS3 unless they can price cut the PS3. I don't think we will see a proper price cut to that until this time next year.

As Source said a few months ago, the peak of this gen has now passed.

 



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Wagram said:

I don't think the PS3 needs to overtake the 360 anymore. Even last place this gen is actually pretty damn good sales wise. PS3 will have probably around 50M sales by the time the next gen starts. I consider that good for 3rd place.

I get the impression that people think the next gen will start in the next 2 years. imo this is not happenning anytime soon. M$ have said they expect Kinect to continue the 360's lifecycle for the next 5 years. and imo PS3 having just turned a profit isnt going anywhere for the next 5 or 6 years. 

i think sales could potentially reach 90 - 100 mil by the time the next gen starts. and i dont think it will be in 3rd place by the time that happens.



GodOfWar_3ever said:

The PS3 is most definitely not doomed. But it will not get out of last place.

Well, it's doomed to come in last.



GodOfWar_3ever said:
Kantor said:

Why do you think Kinect is going to have such a massive effect on 360 hardware?

Massive hype.

MS are awesome at advertising.

Even more casual friendly than the Wii.

Justin Beiber... lol

the massive hype has died down since this E3

MS are awesome at advertising but all can't depend on it.that way 360 would be ahead of Wii and miles ahead of PS3

MORE CAUSUAL than the Wii means nothing as once people get hooked on to one thing like the Wii,its hard to get them off it



I don't think the PS3 has looked likely to overtake 360 in US for ages now.  WW though it's too early too tell.  The momentum keeps swinging back and forth and it's way to early to tell if the Slim is going to mark a permanant shift.



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PS3 doomed again , LAIR 2 incoming!



I live for the burn...and the sting of pleasure...
I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

- Wasteland - The Mission.

I agree, the PS3 launching at 600 (and launching late) has made it near impossible . While this may be true, IDK about the OP, but I don't play sales figures.



steverhcp02 said:

Knee jerk reaction.

The PS3 will surely overtake the 360 LTD, the main question is if its before or after the "next box" is released.

I say thsi with confidence only because of the strength of EU and Japan combined with the fact the PS3 still has price cut boosts left.....

Im not so sure the spike in America is really due to the $150 model to be hones of the, i thought it was, but we have two weeks of increasing numbers....th eonly reason it could increase a second week was the availability of the slim, not a big software bump.

Lol @ bolded, underlined, and italicized.

MS just added features and kept the price the same.  Once Kinect and Move launch, the bundle costs will likely make the overall console purchase more expensive than they are now.  This means both consoles will still have plenty of price cut boosts left as well as feature added boosts.

I think it is far more likely that these 2 consoles will keep swapping momentums until the end of the generation and the 360 will end up being ~5-6 million ahead of the PS3.  This is because of the year head start among other things.



GodOfWar_3ever said:
Kantor said:

Why do you think Kinect is going to have such a massive effect on 360 hardware?

Massive hype.

MS are awesome at advertising.

Even more casual friendly than the Wii.

Justin Beiber... lol

Hype...not really, no. You're basing this on forum sentiment and Amazon pre-orders.

MS may be awesome at advertising, but that doesn't mean everything they advertise will sell huge numbers.

More casual friendly than the Wii...oh, please. The console is $300, and Kinect is a further $150. That's significantly more than double the price of the Wii. Not to mention that the Wii capitalised on motion gaming when it was still rare and brought it through its infancy. A new motion control system isn't going to sell anywhere near Wii numbers.

Justin Bieber- I know this is a joke, so I'll leave it.

And then you have to remember that Kinect isn't a very versatile control system, when it comes to gaming. There's only so much that you can do with body movements. Hell, a real soldier in a real war can't shoot without the trigger on his gun, can he? A real driver in a real racecar isn't going anywhere without his accelerator and steering wheel, is he? Yes, Kinectminals, Dance Central and Child of Eden are all well and good, but no control scheme which is so clearly an accessory rather than an integral part of the experience is going to sell.

And if this E3 made anything perfectly clear, it's that Kinect is an accessory.

By the way, before anyone accuses me of blind Sony love, Move will perform worse. Sony won't advertise it nearly as much as Microsoft, it's far too similar to Wii motion control, and it's too late in the generation to overhaul the experience.



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I don't really see why the PS3 should not be able to get in 2nd place. Let me say it: I don't think that it will reach it, but it's still possible. Don't underestimate Europe/Others, they don't love the 360 as much as the americans do. With a price cut to 199€ and a good advertising for the PS3 overall the X360 could be doomed in others.



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