scottie said:
Netyaroze said:
The VGChartz PS2 numbers are incorrect. Since it doesnt track all territorys. 136 Million was reached long ago. BTW its not allowed to track replaced consoles as sold UNLESS the customer had to pay for the replacment if the warranty was expired. Dont know who said it but I would appreciate a link, aslong as I remember it would be illegal to increase the numbers in such a way since the (potential) shareholders would be fooled.
Dont know if DS will outsell it, it depends how big the Drop off will be after 3DS launched PS2 is about 15 Million ahead. So it can be reached pretty quick. Sony cant say we sold xxx Million PS2 when in reality they sold less. Thats illegal and there are rules what can be count and what not you can count a device which was replaced but only if the Customer paid for it atleast the production costs.
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That was me
VGChartz numbers are correct. Those regions which aren't tracked are still estimated so that is nonsense
As for it being illegal - how could it possibly be illegal to say "We manufactureed x copies of this hardware"? Certainly, if they said "retailers have sold x many of this hardware to consumers" then it would be a crime (Only if it was done in an investor statement btw, you can say pretty much what you want in media brieifings)
As for actual evidence - That's like claiming that gravity acts up and demanding I go out of my way to prove you wrong. Do your own research. I would try looking at Sony financial statements before April 2007 :)
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Except you are the one who made the claim, so you would have to be the one to back it up. Debate doesn't work like this: "Here's what I believe. I have nothing to back that up, but you try to prove me wrong. And if you can't, I win and what I said is fact."
I think this whole thing is kinda rediculous. I mean it only looks at total units sold. Not any other factors. Such as inflation, availibilty at launch, launch prices, industry/population growth since launch, and competition. If we take these things into account, you can see that the DS has the advantage. This is like saying Avatar is the most successful movie just based on revenue without inflation (something many do). But the second you take inflation into consideration, Avatar loses that title to a dozen or so movies. Even more if other factors are taken into account.
Inflation and Launch Prices: The launch price of the PS2 was $300 USD, which today would have been more like $380. The DS was launched at the price of $150 USD in 2004, or $173 when adjusted for inflation, so only a ~ $20 difference. But even without inflation, it's pretty rediculous to expect the comparison to be fair.
Availability: When the PS2 launched there was extreme supply issues for about a year due to manufactoring delays. Many were sold on Ebay for thousands apiece. I don't recall any of that happening for the first year of the DS's launch.
Industry/Population Growth: While world population growth does affect things (studies estimating it grew by 383 mil from 2000 to 2005), more important is the size that the industry has grown since the days of the PS2. A lot of this actually has to do with the large success of the PS2. For the first time in any gen, we have room for 3 home consoles, with the leader already selling over 70 mil units without even breaking 50% marketshare. The other two have both sold over 35 mil units, an amount few consoles see. Their are more gamers out there today, so more people to buy today's consoles.
Competition: This is probably one of the most important factors. The PS2 had to compete against not one console (16-bit gen). Not 2 (this gen). But 3 consoles. The first being the Dreamcast, which launched more than a year before it in most regions (1 1/2 yrs in Japan). Then about a year after launch, the Gamecube and X-Box were released, with many analysts believing that gen would be a neck and neck race between those three. The handheld market, however, is pretty much looked as a seperate entity. DS really had only one competitor, the PSP. Not to mention Japan's complete embrassment of handheld's this gen.
At least in the PS2/GBA comparison, they were released in the same gen, with the same monetary value. But still, the GBA was launched for ~ $200 less than the PS2, and had no real competition. So, I can see why some claim it a real accomplishment when it outsold the GBA by the margin it did. Though, I still think comparing handhelds to consoles like this is kinda silly.
