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Solid_Snake4RD on 14 June 2010
kowenicki said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Mr Khan said:

The article talks of getting out ahead of Microsoft and Sony, as if that's all you have to do to be king of the console game...

if they launch and have a low price and good games,they would be first in console race as they have a big brand name too

 

the main reasons HD consoles failed and Wii eclipsed was that XBOX didn't have good brand name,PS3 had good brand name but it was too much out of reach expensive and Wii had a good brand name and low price

The HD consoles failed?  eh? 

MS sold 25m Xbox's - the 360 is currently at 40m, so they will easily DOUBLE what they did last gen, on top of that the 360 is now the 6th best selling home console ever and will soon past the SNES and possibly the NES before its done.

On your other earlier point.. Philips was the majority royalty maker from CD, and on DVD it was split between many many companies... on Blu-Ray it is estimated that Sony own about 25% of the IP. royalties from blu-ray will never get anywhere near DVD.


i was comparing it to the leader Wii

compared to the XBOX brand it did very well but as i said because of the low XBOX brand name it coudln't challenge Wii at even a low price

on your other point

yes i know SONY didn't own everything on CD and DVD but still SONY was key in makaing those fomats succesfull and they would have earned something for that

 

SONY owns much more than 25% in blu-ray sales,don't just go on bullshiting.SONY bore the biggest loss on BLU-RAY and also sacfrificed their biggest brand name at that time to make it succesfull.also blu-ray just became successful because of PS3.

and BLU-RAY will get near DVD next gen,blu-ray has low sales because it is what DVD was when launched earlier before it was cheap and put into DVD



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Solid_Snake4RD on 14 June 2010
kowenicki said:
mirgro said:
kowenicki said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Mr Khan said:

The article talks of getting out ahead of Microsoft and Sony, as if that's all you have to do to be king of the console game...

if they launch and have a low price and good games,they would be first in console race as they have a big brand name too

 

the main reasons HD consoles failed and Wii eclipsed was that XBOX didn't have good brand name,PS3 had good brand name but it was too much out of reach expensive and Wii had a good brand name and low price

The HD consoles failed?  eh? 

MS sold 25m Xbox's - the 360 is currently at 40m, so they will easily DOUBLE what they did last gen, on top of that the 360 is now the 6th best selling home console ever and will soon past the SNES and possibly the NES before its done.

On your other earlier point.. Philips was the majority royalty maker from CD, and on DVD it was split between many many companies... on Blu-Ray it is estimated that Sony own about 25% of the IP. royalties from blu-ray will never get anywhere near DVD.

One SD console sells almost just as well as all HD consoles combined. That can be defined as failure pretty easily.


So every console that is outsold by more than 2:1 by the leader or doesnt finish first the gen is a failure?   thats nonsense.... I dont think nintendo think their last two consoles were a failure.

Nintendo 64 outsold by almost 3:1 (PS1)

Gamecube outsold by 7:1 (PS2)

Failure is too strong a word.


stop taking the word's meaning literally and try to understand what the guy meant.



Solid_Snake4RD on 14 June 2010



flacomeza on 14 June 2010

Rainbird said:So... a PC?

No, a console. You see, there is a difference. You just buy the box, connect it to a TV, insert a game and play. While on a PC, you have to buy the box, then the accesories, then install windows, then install the game, see if you have the right specs to play the game you want, etc. So, its not a PC, its a console.

They are all hardware for playing games, but there are differences. Standarisation (console) versus customizacion (PC)



Solid_Snake4RD on 14 June 2010
kowenicki said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
kowenicki said:
mirgro said:
kowenicki said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Mr Khan said:

The article talks of getting out ahead of Microsoft and Sony, as if that's all you have to do to be king of the console game...

if they launch and have a low price and good games,they would be first in console race as they have a big brand name too

 

the main reasons HD consoles failed and Wii eclipsed was that XBOX didn't have good brand name,PS3 had good brand name but it was too much out of reach expensive and Wii had a good brand name and low price

The HD consoles failed?  eh? 

MS sold 25m Xbox's - the 360 is currently at 40m, so they will easily DOUBLE what they did last gen, on top of that the 360 is now the 6th best selling home console ever and will soon past the SNES and possibly the NES before its done.

On your other earlier point.. Philips was the majority royalty maker from CD, and on DVD it was split between many many companies... on Blu-Ray it is estimated that Sony own about 25% of the IP. royalties from blu-ray will never get anywhere near DVD.

One SD console sells almost just as well as all HD consoles combined. That can be defined as failure pretty easily.


So every console that is outsold by more than 2:1 by the leader or doesnt finish first the gen is a failure?   thats nonsense.... I dont think nintendo think their last two consoles were a failure.

Nintendo 64 outsold by almost 3:1 (PS1)

Gamecube outsold by 7:1 (PS2)

Failure is too strong a word.


stop taking the word's meaning literally and try to understand what the guy meant.

here you go...

The royalties will be split among several players, said Doherty.

Blu-ray has a lot of grandfathers. A lot of people call it a Sony standard but by our estimates Sony doesn't even have 30 percent of the IP," Doherty said. The top four intellectual property holders are likely Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, and Warner.

"There are so many players. There is a lot of intellectual that went into this, and companies like Philips and Toshiba and Sony will all look for a return on investment," Rudy Provoost, the then-CEO of Philips Electronics told News.com in 2006. "That is what makes it a challenging debate. It's like the CD days. Everybody looks for a fair reward."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9874317-7.html?tag=nefd.lede

 


LMAO u don't know anything

and that guy didn't know anything either

i don't need links o somebody else to prove it

 

BLU-RAY is solely owned by three companies,SONY,PANASONIC and one other and they will get all the royalties

just look at DVD,it had so many companies in consortium but only 9 companies divided in to a group of SIX and THREE GOT THE ROYALTIES

the other companies are part of the consortium.they don't get any royalties but only are th backers and have a bit of say in its development

 

and WARNER was backing HD-DVD

you really think SONY would make losses just to earn money for others and tarnish their biggest brand so that others get money



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mirgro on 14 June 2010
kowenicki said:
mirgro said:
kowenicki said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Mr Khan said:

The article talks of getting out ahead of Microsoft and Sony, as if that's all you have to do to be king of the console game...

if they launch and have a low price and good games,they would be first in console race as they have a big brand name too

 

the main reasons HD consoles failed and Wii eclipsed was that XBOX didn't have good brand name,PS3 had good brand name but it was too much out of reach expensive and Wii had a good brand name and low price

The HD consoles failed?  eh? 

MS sold 25m Xbox's - the 360 is currently at 40m, so they will easily DOUBLE what they did last gen, on top of that the 360 is now the 6th best selling home console ever and will soon past the SNES and possibly the NES before its done.

On your other earlier point.. Philips was the majority royalty maker from CD, and on DVD it was split between many many companies... on Blu-Ray it is estimated that Sony own about 25% of the IP. royalties from blu-ray will never get anywhere near DVD.

One SD console sells almost just as well as all HD consoles combined. That can be defined as failure pretty easily.


So every console that is outsold by more than 2:1 by the leader or doesnt finish first the gen is a failure?   thats nonsense.... I dont think nintendo think their last two consoles were a failure.

Nintendo 64 outsold by almost 3:1 (PS1)

Gamecube outsold by 7:1 (PS2)

Failure is too strong a word.

The goal of any business is to have sold the most, or rather, made the most money. Even if the gap wasn't so big, the products still failed when compared with the rest of the market. They just failed to achive what the business set out to do.

In fact when we are talking about a gap "selling as much as all the competitors combined." It would be even much more appropriate to label said competitors as not just failing, but miserably failing, in their business venture.

Political correctness is for unrealistic and insecure people, so no, fail isn't too harsh a word, it's the word that best describes the situation of the HD consoles.



Kynes on 14 June 2010

Failure in what sense? Financial? Nintendo is one of the "new-age" companies, with ridiculous ratios of profits/number of employees, a la apple. Nintendo, in all it's history, only had one quarter in red, so Gamecube and N64 can't be considered failures. Failure for a company is another thing, is when you bleed money, as Sony has done with the PS3, or Microsoft with the XBox and, in some regard, X360. You can consider them investment, but if you can't recover the losses, that's a failure, even if you sell the most consoles.



jarrod on 14 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:

SONY owns much more than 25% in blu-ray sales,don't just go on bullshiting.SONY bore the biggest loss on BLU-RAY and also sacfrificed their biggest brand name at that time to make it succesfull.also blu-ray just became successful because of PS3.

Sony's the 2nd largest license holder in the Blu-ray Group, right behind Matsushita (Panasonic) and right ahead of Philips.  And honestly, they're likely nowhere close to 25% each... 



Solid_Snake4RD on 14 June 2010
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

SONY owns much more than 25% in blu-ray sales,don't just go on bullshiting.SONY bore the biggest loss on BLU-RAY and also sacfrificed their biggest brand name at that time to make it succesfull.also blu-ray just became successful because of PS3.

Sony's the 2nd largest license holder in the Blu-ray Group, right behind Matsushita (Panasonic) and right ahead of Philips.  And honestly, they're likely nowhere close to 25% each... 


they are

 

u think SONY bore all the losses for them?



jarrod on 14 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

SONY owns much more than 25% in blu-ray sales,don't just go on bullshiting.SONY bore the biggest loss on BLU-RAY and also sacfrificed their biggest brand name at that time to make it succesfull.also blu-ray just became successful because of PS3.

Sony's the 2nd largest license holder in the Blu-ray Group, right behind Matsushita (Panasonic) and right ahead of Philips.  And honestly, they're likely nowhere close to 25% each... 


they are

 

u think SONY bore all the losses for them?

Sony didn't bear ALL the losses, though they did essentially sacrifice their PlayStation business as trojan to kill HD-DVD.  That was Sony's miscalculation alone though (they thought PS3 would lift BD, not that BD would sink PS3), Panasonic, Philips, Hitachi, Samsung, LG and the other founding members of the BDA aren't going to hand Sony their royalties out of pity.  Sony has a big investment and significant holdings in the format, but they aren't even the biggest taker, and there's pretty much no way any one single company involved is getting as much as 25% of the pie alone.