Well its funny but many of the older graphics whore titles really have stood the test of time and become ageless/classics. I don't see why this dichotomy between graphics and gameplay can be sustained. Its especially funny since I don't know of many/any computer games which had no gameplay or no graphics as even simple ascii text art is still graphics in a way.

Well, while I think that graphics are important I also think that there are other things that are waaaay more important.

I agree with the OP in some aspects and I'm also a more Nintendo-oriented gamer, but there are some things that I cannot tolerate in some games, for example circle shadows or Emil's hair in Dawn of the New World XD.

I think it's all about Fanboyism these days. You had fanboys in the past, too, but it was mostly about: "We have the best games, etc." Now many seem to think this way: "We have the best graphics EVER!!" It's just ridiculous.

When I look at my current Top10, I see 5 HD games in there, but this doesn't have to do anything with the graphics. I love them because of their gameplay, story, presentation, etc. and of course graphics matter a little, too, but it's far away from being the most important part for me.

In the end my own opinion is the only thing that matters, and if some people want to care mostly about graphics I shouldn't complain about it.

This!

And who said that just because games have motion control automatically better than regular controller based games?

Are you implying that Wii spots > BC2, UC2, GoW3, Halo REACH?????

TBH, Motion controls aren't even really that fun, its just you have an excuse to act a fool when your friends are around (party games).

Please dont say "Mario games are fun, and they have motion control", thats because its Mario!! You can play the worst mario game ever made and its guaranteed to be better than most games out today. Mario > All!

Graphics have to be there to complete the game. Take games like Mass Effect, Uncharted or Heavy Rain where the emotion of the characters is very important, and that would only really work with brilliant graphics. Likewise, the scale of things in God of War III is very important for the overall feeling of the game, and it really does wow. Of course, these games aren't about just fun, but general enjoyment, there is more gaming than just "fun."

Of course, if you want to look at a game that is just about mucking around, then look at Just Cause 2. The graphics are key in drawing you into the game, and wanting you to explore. Being able to see these beautiful vistas encourages you to take a look and discover more of the game world

Love me some nice graphics, love me a good game even more. If I can get both together, even better.

I think that guys are misunderstanding the menaing of this thread, it's not a Wii users are better than HD consoles ones because they don't complain about graphics and appreciate the games more like thread. It's just a thead aginst those who bitch around graphics for hours in forums like Halo reach has better graph than Killzone, no killzone is better, wait Crisis is the best, and again gt5 is better than forza3 or Alan Wake is better than Uncharted......Who F*****g cares those will be all great games stop complaing about wich grapx is better and play the games. The "wii faithful" mention was just made by because it's logical, if you buy a console with shitty graphics you can't be a graphic whore, or else you would have bought an HD console or a PC.

I don't think anyone has said that a game story has ever been a literary masterpiece. I think when most comment on story it's more about how the story complements and is integrated into the gameplay (your point 2). In many cases this is true, but usually the games that are heralded for story, the game and the gameplay are enhanced by it being there and vice versa.

OT: I think it only appears worse now the internet is so huge and the HD consoles are so close in power. Any slight advantage in one consoles' graphics means a point for one camp. Otherwise, I think for certain genres and games having impressive graphics and technical feats DOES actually enhance the gameplay experience (even if only psychologically).

For example, take Uncharted 2 and the animation system they used. It enhances the gameplay by making it appear more fluid giving the illusion of an improved gameplay mechanic over other 3D platformers or shooters. Or in Mass Effect 2 where the animations are essential to convey the emotions of each character.

It's fine for certain games such as Mario or Zelda where the emphasis is more on the game mechanics, but graphics and art style can do a lot (more than some give them credit for I feel) to enhance those gameplay mechanics.

I don't think the Wii has to be brought into this discussion to find something to be annoyed about with graphics whores.

Seriously, those comparisons that websites like Eurogamer do between multiplatform games are for the most part pretty pathetic. They're full of technobabble that I could care less about, and I honestly have far more pressing things to be concerned about than one version of a game having five less pixels than the other, such as worrying about whether or not to have soup for lunch today...

But then you read the comments sections in those type of features, and they're filled with the dregs of gaming society. Just reading them makes you feel like you're losing brain power as each comment goes by.

There's nothing wrong with appreciating good graphics, but taking it to the levels that those troglodytes do is something else entirely.