Khuutra said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
Wow! Nintendo will announce another Mario game! Awesome! And another platform to play Mario! Only thing Nintendo needs to make it perfect is... another Mario game apart from the one their going to announce. Unbeatable.
Nintendo were gods during and prior to SNES, now they are nothing. I am more interested in Microsoft and the Circus they'll put on stage than Nintendo. I remember when I used to see the Nintendo64 as competition with some good games here and there that I liked to play, having a decent second place in the generation but now they are simply nothing. I am not interested in playing a Wii at all. Only games there I could see myself playingwas NSMBWXHJ because it was 2D Mario which I loved and love (hated 3D Mario) and the new Metroid game which looks good. You guys will finally crash with reality when this last game comes to sell. The sells of this game will show you the true faces (numbers) of the real gamers with a Wii. I bet that, in spite of the Wii having almost the double of units sold of what the PS3 has sold, it won't sell more than the best selling PS3 exclusive. I don't care about sells that much (only care about them because I know they afect things related to videogames) but this will show you the true face of the people that have Wiis and care for true good games. Metroid will surely deserve more than the sells it will have.
I think it is the first time I come to a Wii thread to shake things up. This is how relevant I consider Nintendo this generation.
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Whether or not you like what Nintendo is doing this generation has nothing to do with some absolute metric of quality, nor with whether or not they're "relevant". They're the most relevant players on the field.
Metroid as an absolute measure of "core" presence on the Wii is fallacious. The average Metroid game sells about ~1.5 million copies or less. Expecting the game to sell over 5 million is unrealistic, unfair, and unreasonable to such a degree that it is nearly ridiculous. Metroid is and has always been a third-tier series for Nintendo, if that.
If you want a proper indicator, look to either Zelda, which is a second-tier series that has handily outsold every PS3 exclusive (and more than that if you count the Gamecube version), or to New Super Mario Bros Wii - a core game that has already tripled and will easily quadruple the current best-selling PS3 exclusive.
More, taking the sales of any game and using that to arrive at some loftier explanation of the userbase is fallacious. You cannot draw muc of anything based on one game.
More, even if you could, trying to pass qualitative judgment on a library based on the people who are buying a console is prejudiced against people with different tastes. It's unfair and representative of a xenophobic mentality which is more or less exactly what Nintendo is doing its best to make gaming grow beyond in this generation.
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Whether of not you think that Nintendo is relevant has nothing to do with what they really are this generation. Even if they sell four times the amount of consoles that the competition gets to sell, that doesn't make them relevant in my eyes and the eyes of a lot of people who have been into real gaming for generations. Like in music, the norm has been that if sells and if it has the acceptance of the majority, it is crap. However, this wasn't the case with videogames because videogames used to be made for gamers and not for people who just want to make a novelty purchase by buying a Wii with Wii sport Resort and Wii Sun Tan and leave the console there to die.
Metroid is not an absolute measure of the core gamer in the Wii, what Metroid represents is what measures the true core gamer in the Wii with gameplay that asks more than jumping and punching enemies and slashing and casting spells in an infantile and childish fashion. Metroid is a game that represents games that can't be picked by any single person, people which aren’t gamers or that don’t have the interest of being one, and still have some fun. It will take more than those noob friendly games that these non-gamers with controller in hand recognize as games. Changing from 2D to 3D perspective, third person to first person perspective and with fast action that hopefully will ask quick reflexes, this is something that mommy and grandma wont be able to do in five minutes and then leave so that they can return to chat with neighbors and go to the kitchen. Games were made for gamers and since Nintendo couldn't top Sony they decided to grab people who are not within this gaming world with what I bet and hope will be their eventual doom.
Now, Sony and Microsoft want to ride that train too. Sony is promising to take a supposed approach to motion gaming for the core gamer which we have yet to see and Natal with what I have seen will end up making even lamer motion gaming than that of the Wii with some possible good implementations of it to core gaming. All the focus of these companies would have been directed to the development of great games but now they are trying to benefit from the interest of people who have little to do to with gaming in this motion novelty. I won't mind Sony's motion interest as long as it doesn't compromise with the development of the true great games they are known for; otherwise they can screw themselves with Nintendo for all I will care.
Metroid third tier for you? Games like Metroid should be fist tier in the gaming world. Nintendo just tries to bring about simple and childish games that will cater to children and the parents who buy them. If Nintendo really wants to make gaming go beyond, they should try to go beyond themselves first and make mature games with violent content for a change instead of bringing a console which strives to be the politically correct one for parents to protect their children. I can play all sorts of games violent and non-violent, serious and cute ones. But a gaming developer that only focus in simple games, without storyline depth and are far from being the top of the line. Not all games need to have storyline, but not all games need to lack one. Nintendo simply fails to diversify among several other things.
On the other hand, Sony brings us gamers a little of everything for every type of gamer with LBP, GOW, Fat Princess, Killzone, Flower, Gran Turismo. If Sony doesn't create the game, they assist with their creation and publish them helping to get games out there. What do Nintendo bring apart from their platforms and bland motion garbage? Nothing. I test my love for Sony at every moment, I wasn't in gaming during the beginning of this generation so I wasn't there when Sony entered with the left foot, but maybe if I did I would have told them to fuck themselves before they got to put their shit together and retake the top at the gaming development like they did with the PS and PS2.
Nintendo is not making gaming grow beyond in this generation. That is what Sony and (I hate to say) Microsoft have done this generation. The only thing that Nintendo has done is a smart tactical approach with their machine in order to remain alive and with it make the first real threat that real and dedicated gaming have seen since the game crash at the mid 80s that, ironically, Nintendo helped save that one time.
