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psrock on 05 June 2010
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

What are we talking about now? I am confused/

Xen admits he's wrong but thinks that if he changes his viewpoint then e's lying to himself. Because holding to an idea you know to be wrong isn't lying to yourself. Someow.

Xen holds - held - that Wii Sports is not a game because of its lack of depth.


oh, I see.

Zen is wrong, a game is a game. But Wiisports is still a demo which Nintendo has created to give Developers an idea of  how to take advantage of the controller.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 05 June 2010
Xen said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Xen said:
Khuutra said:
Xen said:
Khuutra said:

Then you are purposely holding to wrongness. You are wrong on purpose. I'm not sure that's possible.

Being wrong beats lying to yourself.

If you know you are wrong, then you are already lying to yourself. You jsut don't want ot challenge your previously held conceptions concerning what defines games. You're lying to yourself now, when you could just reassess how you look at games and admit that there is a wide and varied spectrum of different value sets, and Wii Sport appeals to a very broad one.

Perhaps I could, but that just doesn't happen in a flash, does it?


Self realization of a once held belief being being wrong after all evidence has been laid out in front you?  That happens in a flash all the time, it happens every time you learn something new in fact.

Not to me. Acceptance has to sink in.


So wait does it take you a long time to realize that the price of a product you want is the price that it is even after reading the price?  Cause thats evidence given to tell you what is truth.  It happens everyday, for everyone, even animals.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 05 June 2010
psrock said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

What are we talking about now? I am confused/

Xen admits he's wrong but thinks that if he changes his viewpoint then e's lying to himself. Because holding to an idea you know to be wrong isn't lying to yourself. Someow.

Xen holds - held - that Wii Sports is not a game because of its lack of depth.


oh, I see.

Zen is wrong, a game is a game. But Wiisports is still a demo which Nintendo has created to give Developers an idea of  how to take advantage of the controller.


Except, not... especially when the game is a retail game and even has a retail sequel.



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Khuutra on 05 June 2010
psrock said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

What are we talking about now? I am confused/

Xen admits he's wrong but thinks that if he changes his viewpoint then e's lying to himself. Because holding to an idea you know to be wrong isn't lying to yourself. Someow.

Xen holds - held - that Wii Sports is not a game because of its lack of depth.

oh, I see.

Zen is wrong, a game is a game. But Wiisports is still a demo which Nintendo has created to give Developers an idea of  how to take advantage of the controller.

"Demo" in a gaming software context is not literally a "demonstration", it's a small part of a full game. In that sense, Wii Sports is not a demo.

But we agree that it's a game.

Andi t's not really a demo either, unelss you hold that it was made to show people how fun the Wii is



Xen on 05 June 2010
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Xen said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Xen said:
Khuutra said:
Xen said:
Khuutra said:

Then you are purposely holding to wrongness. You are wrong on purpose. I'm not sure that's possible.

Being wrong beats lying to yourself.

If you know you are wrong, then you are already lying to yourself. You jsut don't want ot challenge your previously held conceptions concerning what defines games. You're lying to yourself now, when you could just reassess how you look at games and admit that there is a wide and varied spectrum of different value sets, and Wii Sport appeals to a very broad one.

Perhaps I could, but that just doesn't happen in a flash, does it?


Self realization of a once held belief being being wrong after all evidence has been laid out in front you?  That happens in a flash all the time, it happens every time you learn something new in fact.

Not to me. Acceptance has to sink in.


So wait does it take you a long time to realize that the price of a product you want is the price that it is even after reading the price?  Cause thats evidence given to tell you what is truth.  It happens everyday, for everyone, even animals.

This is an unfitting comparison. One's a daily activity, the other's an outlook on gaming.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 05 June 2010
Xen said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Xen said:

Not to me. Acceptance has to sink in.


So wait does it take you a long time to realize that the price of a product you want is the price that it is even after reading the price?  Cause thats evidence given to tell you what is truth.  It happens everyday, for everyone, even animals.

This is an unfitting comparison. One's a daily activity, the other's an outlook on gaming.


In the end it's all a daily activity, people get too caught up in perceptions that the world is more than combination of many simple things.  Your outlook on gaming is shaped by your daily learning experiences and should be treated no differently than learning that a stove can be hot when turned on.



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ClaudeLv250 on 05 June 2010

 

There's been so many twists and turns to this discussion.

What is this thread even about anymore?



Tag - "No trolling on my watch!"

MaxwellGT2000 on 05 June 2010
ClaudeLv250 said:

 

There's been so many twists and turns to this discussion.

What is this thread even about anymore?


More or less the topic was broken long ago by people simply trying to derail and stealth troll because the OP made a big claim, now it's turned into a discussion of fact vs opinion, and like any good discussion hopefully people learn from it.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 05 June 2010
ClaudeLv250 said:

 

There's been so many twists and turns to this discussion.

What is this thread even about anymore?


More or less the topic was broken long ago by people simply trying to derail and stealth troll because the OP made a big claim, now it's turned into a discussion of fact vs opinion, and like any good discussion hopefully people learn from it.



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darthdevidem01 on 05 June 2010

Maxwell you might as well lock this thread, its caused nothing but arguments instead of anticipation & excitement towards an amazing E3!



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