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ironman on 21 May 2010
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
Mr Puggsly said:
With the Eyetoy, could a 3D model be controlled by tracking your body or does it just sense where limbs are flailing? Also, can the Eyetoy see multiple people?

I've only seen a few Eyetoy games and most of them involve seeing your self smacking crap or making gestures. Is that all the Eyetoy was capable of?

The Eyetoy seems like a very limited device in comparison.

for instance:

it does track your hand's motion because the controller is the reference point in a 3D space.

because it know's where the Move controller is, it know by reference where your hand is.

so if your hand move's forward or back or in any direction the camera track's the position of the remote and can trach your hand's movement.

like i stated it's not 3d tracking by sight but by the reference point of the controller in 3d space.

yes the eyetoy can see multiple people in 2D but in order to track in a 3D space it need's an object that would be it's reference point/ A lighted sphere work's best because the focus point of the lighted sphere. even the Wii motion tracking track's in a 3D space.

 

 

 

That's a software perception of a Z-plane and not a true Z plane. The camera is only capable of 2D tracking, it cannot physically see in 3D.

i am not saying it can see in 3D i am not saying that...I am saying it can track and object in 3d space, that by no mean's excludes the camera from tracking an object in 3D. just because it cannot see it does not mean it cannot track it!

No, the camera cannot track it. the software does, you just admitted that. 



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joeorc on 21 May 2010
ironman said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
Mr Puggsly said:
With the Eyetoy, could a 3D model be controlled by tracking your body or does it just sense where limbs are flailing? Also, can the Eyetoy see multiple people?

I've only seen a few Eyetoy games and most of them involve seeing your self smacking crap or making gestures. Is that all the Eyetoy was capable of?

The Eyetoy seems like a very limited device in comparison.

for instance:

it does track your hand's motion because the controller is the reference point in a 3D space.

because it know's where the Move controller is, it know by reference where your hand is.

so if your hand move's forward or back or in any direction the camera track's the position of the remote and can trach your hand's movement.

like i stated it's not 3d tracking by sight but by the reference point of the controller in 3d space.

yes the eyetoy can see multiple people in 2D but in order to track in a 3D space it need's an object that would be it's reference point/ A lighted sphere work's best because the focus point of the lighted sphere. even the Wii motion tracking track's in a 3D space.

 

 

 

That's a software perception of a Z-plane and not a true Z plane. The camera is only capable of 2D tracking, it cannot physically see in 3D.

i am not saying it can see in 3D i am not saying that...I am saying it can track and object in 3d space, that by no mean's excludes the camera from tracking an object in 3D. just because it cannot see it does not mean it cannot track it!

No, the camera cannot track it. the software does, you just admitted that. 

the software is made to interact with the camera with what the camera may see or here an it can relay the size measurement's distance  the object is from the camera object is right and relay it's information back to  where ever it need's too?

so if the camera is using the object as a reference point in space does it matter if it  can seen the space around the object to track it?

or if it can see the object and it instead track's the object instead of the space around the object.

no because it's tracking the object and it's point in a space distance in A 3D AREA OF space what is in that space does not matter only the object it is tracking. this by math it know's the distance and where that object is inside of say a CUBE or sphere.

just because it cannot see into your space in 3D does not mean the camera is programed to alway's measeure it's data from a reference point of the controller in a 3D area of space.

just because it's not viewing the area around the object it's tracking does not mean it's not tracking it in a 3D SPACE.

 



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AnthonyW86 on 21 May 2010

I think the video actually is more of a showpiece of the limitations that Natal will have. Motion controls without controllers is just to limited. Wouldn't suprise me one bit if Microsoft ends up adding a controller to Natal later on.



ironman on 21 May 2010
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
Mr Puggsly said:
With the Eyetoy, could a 3D model be controlled by tracking your body or does it just sense where limbs are flailing? Also, can the Eyetoy see multiple people?

I've only seen a few Eyetoy games and most of them involve seeing your self smacking crap or making gestures. Is that all the Eyetoy was capable of?

The Eyetoy seems like a very limited device in comparison.

for instance:

it does track your hand's motion because the controller is the reference point in a 3D space.

because it know's where the Move controller is, it know by reference where your hand is.

so if your hand move's forward or back or in any direction the camera track's the position of the remote and can trach your hand's movement.

like i stated it's not 3d tracking by sight but by the reference point of the controller in 3d space.

yes the eyetoy can see multiple people in 2D but in order to track in a 3D space it need's an object that would be it's reference point/ A lighted sphere work's best because the focus point of the lighted sphere. even the Wii motion tracking track's in a 3D space.

 

 

 

That's a software perception of a Z-plane and not a true Z plane. The camera is only capable of 2D tracking, it cannot physically see in 3D.

i am not saying it can see in 3D i am not saying that...I am saying it can track and object in 3d space, that by no mean's excludes the camera from tracking an object in 3D. just because it cannot see it does not mean it cannot track it!

No, the camera cannot track it. the software does, you just admitted that. 

the software is programed for the camera to see an object right?

so if the camera is using the object as a reference point in space does it matter itf it seen the space? around the object to track it?

no because it's tracking the object and it's point in a space distance in A 3D AREA OF space what is in that space does not matter only the object it is tracking. this by math it know's the distance and where that object is inside an say a CUBE or sphere.

just because it's not viewing the area around the object it's tracking does not mean it's not tracking it in a 3D SPACE.

 

The camera does not track the object in the Z plane, it merely sees it in 2D, the software takes the objects size an compares it to the known size of said object then calculates it's theoretical position on the Z plane thus emulating 3D



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joeorc on 21 May 2010
ironman said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
Mr Puggsly said:
With the Eyetoy, could a 3D model be controlled by tracking your body or does it just sense where limbs are flailing? Also, can the Eyetoy see multiple people?

I've only seen a few Eyetoy games and most of them involve seeing your self smacking crap or making gestures. Is that all the Eyetoy was capable of?

The Eyetoy seems like a very limited device in comparison.

for instance:

it does track your hand's motion because the controller is the reference point in a 3D space.

because it know's where the Move controller is, it know by reference where your hand is.

so if your hand move's forward or back or in any direction the camera track's the position of the remote and can trach your hand's movement.

like i stated it's not 3d tracking by sight but by the reference point of the controller in 3d space.

yes the eyetoy can see multiple people in 2D but in order to track in a 3D space it need's an object that would be it's reference point/ A lighted sphere work's best because the focus point of the lighted sphere. even the Wii motion tracking track's in a 3D space.

 

 

 

That's a software perception of a Z-plane and not a true Z plane. The camera is only capable of 2D tracking, it cannot physically see in 3D.

i am not saying it can see in 3D i am not saying that...I am saying it can track and object in 3d space, that by no mean's excludes the camera from tracking an object in 3D. just because it cannot see it does not mean it cannot track it!

No, the camera cannot track it. the software does, you just admitted that. 

the software is programed for the camera to see an object right?

so if the camera is using the object as a reference point in space does it matter itf it seen the space? around the object to track it?

no because it's tracking the object and it's point in a space distance in A 3D AREA OF space what is in that space does not matter only the object it is tracking. this by math it know's the distance and where that object is inside an say a CUBE or sphere.

just because it's not viewing the area around the object it's tracking does not mean it's not tracking it in a 3D SPACE.

 

The camera does not track the object in the Z plane, it merely sees it in 2D, the software takes the objects size an compares it to the known size of said object then calculates it's theoretical position on the Z plane thus emulating 3D

what does it matter if it can see the area around the object if it alway's count's the object is alway's refrenced in a 3D plane.

it does not have to see it to track it. by using it as a reference point in 3D space it track's it in 3D space.

an it does have a z axis.

 



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ironman on 21 May 2010
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
joeorc said:
Mr Puggsly said:
With the Eyetoy, could a 3D model be controlled by tracking your body or does it just sense where limbs are flailing? Also, can the Eyetoy see multiple people?

I've only seen a few Eyetoy games and most of them involve seeing your self smacking crap or making gestures. Is that all the Eyetoy was capable of?

The Eyetoy seems like a very limited device in comparison.

for instance:

it does track your hand's motion because the controller is the reference point in a 3D space.

because it know's where the Move controller is, it know by reference where your hand is.

so if your hand move's forward or back or in any direction the camera track's the position of the remote and can trach your hand's movement.

like i stated it's not 3d tracking by sight but by the reference point of the controller in 3d space.

yes the eyetoy can see multiple people in 2D but in order to track in a 3D space it need's an object that would be it's reference point/ A lighted sphere work's best because the focus point of the lighted sphere. even the Wii motion tracking track's in a 3D space.

 

 

 

That's a software perception of a Z-plane and not a true Z plane. The camera is only capable of 2D tracking, it cannot physically see in 3D.

i am not saying it can see in 3D i am not saying that...I am saying it can track and object in 3d space, that by no mean's excludes the camera from tracking an object in 3D. just because it cannot see it does not mean it cannot track it!

No, the camera cannot track it. the software does, you just admitted that. 

the software is programed for the camera to see an object right?

so if the camera is using the object as a reference point in space does it matter itf it seen the space? around the object to track it?

no because it's tracking the object and it's point in a space distance in A 3D AREA OF space what is in that space does not matter only the object it is tracking. this by math it know's the distance and where that object is inside an say a CUBE or sphere.

just because it's not viewing the area around the object it's tracking does not mean it's not tracking it in a 3D SPACE.

 

The camera does not track the object in the Z plane, it merely sees it in 2D, the software takes the objects size an compares it to the known size of said object then calculates it's theoretical position on the Z plane thus emulating 3D

what does it matter if it can see the area around the object if it alway's count's the object is alway's refrenced in a 3D plane.

it does not have to see it to track it. by using it as a reference point in 3D space it track's it in 3D space.

am it does have a z axis.

 

It matters because it's not true 3D and is not as accurate as true 3D. Face it, there is NOTHING on todays console market that tracks in true 3D like Natal does. 



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drkohler on 21 May 2010
ironman said:

It matters because it's not true 3D and is not as accurate as true 3D. Face it, there is NOTHING on todays console market that tracks in true 3D like Natal does. 

Ugh... Natal does have a limited accuracy on 3D sensing like every technical equipment has its inherent limited accuracy. It is generally agreed that Sony's wand tracks its 3D position more accurate than Natal. That is not surprising since it only tracks one data point (the center of a glowing sphere) and not a whole body.



joeorc on 21 May 2010
drkohler said:
ironman said:

It matters because it's not true 3D and is not as accurate as true 3D. Face it, there is NOTHING on todays console market that tracks in true 3D like Natal does. 

Ugh... Natal does have a limited accuracy on 3D sensing like every technical equipment has its inherent limited accuracy. It is generally agreed that Sony's wand tracks its 3D position more accurate than Natal. That is not surprising since it only tracks one data point (the center of a glowing sphere) and not a whole body.

exactly. it still does not exclude it from tracking an object in a 3d space just like the Wii is also not excluded from tracking it's motion controller in a 3D space.



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100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

ironman on 21 May 2010
drkohler said:
ironman said:

It matters because it's not true 3D and is not as accurate as true 3D. Face it, there is NOTHING on todays console market that tracks in true 3D like Natal does. 

Ugh... Natal does have a limited accuracy on 3D sensing like every technical equipment has its inherent limited accuracy. It is generally agreed that Sony's wand tracks its 3D position more accurate than Natal. That is not surprising since it only tracks one data point (the center of a glowing sphere) and not a whole body.

Not as limited as Move, or the Wiimote+. At either rate, that's not the real point here. No other system on the console market today has the capabilities of Natal. Period. 

@ joeorc. Yes it does. Neither the Wiimote or Move can track in true 3D, they can only track in a software perceived 3rd dimension. 

 



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joeorc on 22 May 2010
ironman said:
drkohler said:
ironman said:

It matters because it's not true 3D and is not as accurate as true 3D. Face it, there is NOTHING on todays console market that tracks in true 3D like Natal does. 

Ugh... Natal does have a limited accuracy on 3D sensing like every technical equipment has its inherent limited accuracy. It is generally agreed that Sony's wand tracks its 3D position more accurate than Natal. That is not surprising since it only tracks one data point (the center of a glowing sphere) and not a whole body.

Not as limited as Move, or the Wiimote+. At either rate, that's not the real point here. No other system on the console market today has the capabilities of Natal. Period. 

@ joeorc. Yes it does. Neither the Wiimote or Move can track in true 3D, they can only track in a software perceived 3rd dimension. 

 

well you can have your opinion, but i disagree with it. and since the people who work on the Playstation move say's it track's in 3D i am going to agree with them over this rather than your Opinion.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.