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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Isamu said:


Naw, I'm not new, not at all.  I am what you call a lurker.  And to be honest, I didn't want it to turn into this, and as I said, if the opening post had a bit more info it would have been fine, but I've covered everything, and you don't want to read it (I mean, its a of bs to read thru now to find the small nuggets of information ;)


lurker. so your trolling. thats not a good look.


;) lol naw, I just have more time on my hands this week.  Combination of no snow, no sun & rain, and a few other things as well.



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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
FF_Fanatic said:
joeorc said:
account2099 said:

 

 

 

 

 

  I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Move isn't going to sell that great.

 

 

neither is natal! they both suck. and by the way. your agurment is weak and isn't worht debaiting.

You'll eat those words. I guarantee. (Unless MS fails to gather in devs for this thing...which I don't see since many devs are excited about this.) Anyway, nice to see you taking the cheap way out. Just because you can't argue with common sense does not give you the right to say my argument is weak.

@ Joeorc

No, just no, in order for it to see in true 3D it needs a 2nd camera. It's REPLICATING 3D And it does it fairly well from what I've seen, but it is NOT on par with Natal, and it was seen as a gimmick since it didn't really have any good games. Thats why I say if Natal doesn't have games behind it, it will fail, but I don't think MS is going to let it go the way of the eye since they have invested so heavily in this. Also, Don't get me wrong Move is interesting and fairly innovative tech, were it not for Natal, I think it would have boosted Sony to 1st place for the best conference, but there is a reason Natal stole the show, it is different the what the wii has to offer, it looks new, it looks technologically advanced, and it looks fun. Move looks like a direct ripoff of the Wiimote and as such the people are drawn to Natal because it's different and "New" 



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So this guy can't talk about it because of NDA, but he's seen in action, but he can't elaborate why it's able to do things beyond what a PSeye can do...right It seems to me like the way he attacked this thread, that he's invested in the thing in some way, whether it's working for MS or some third parties projects.. he doesn't seem to be an unbiased observer to me. If MS doesn't want to show anything off till E3 (in their 'no camera' event), they'll have to put up with 'what's known' about natal, until they do show it. It sounds ridiculous for this guy to bash this game, which he's probably not seen in action - and compared it to 'natal.' which we're supposed to believe he's seen blowing this game out of the water.



 

ironman said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
FF_Fanatic said:
joeorc said:
account2099 said:

 

 

 

 

 

  I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Move isn't going to sell that great.

 

 

neither is natal! they both suck. and by the way. your agurment is weak and isn't worht debaiting.

You'll eat those words. I guarantee. (Unless MS fails to gather in devs for this thing...which I don't see since many devs are excited about this.) Anyway, nice to see you taking the cheap way out. Just because you can't argue with common sense does not give you the right to say my argument is weak.

 

it realy wasn't worth debaiting sence natal is said to be better. why make something if it's the same as something thats already on the market.
and i don't eat words just food. like i said in another thread. i will be surprised if either sells anything. i didn't mean your argument wasn't worth debaiting.

we will see win they are released. on another note. i can't debate this because i don't carre for either. and your word were a little harsh to the other guy. i must say you are good at this debating thing?



Isamu said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Isamu said:


Naw, I'm not new, not at all.  I am what you call a lurker.  And to be honest, I didn't want it to turn into this, and as I said, if the opening post had a bit more info it would have been fine, but I've covered everything, and you don't want to read it (I mean, its a of bs to read thru now to find the small nuggets of information ;)


lurker. so your trolling. thats not a good look.


;) lol naw, I just have more time on my hands this week.  Combination of no snow, no sun & rain, and a few other things as well.


well your lucky. we don't get snow in Alexandria La. wiat! now sun either. sounds like the twilight zone?



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ironman said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
FF_Fanatic said:
joeorc said:
account2099 said:

 

 

 

 

 

  I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Move isn't going to sell that great.

 

 

neither is natal! they both suck. and by the way. your agurment is weak and isn't worht debaiting.

You'll eat those words. I guarantee. (Unless MS fails to gather in devs for this thing...which I don't see since many devs are excited about this.) Anyway, nice to see you taking the cheap way out. Just because you can't argue with common sense does not give you the right to say my argument is weak.

@ Joeorc

No, just no, in order for it to see in true 3D it needs a 2nd camera. It's REPLICATING 3D And it does it fairly well from what I've seen, but it is NOT on par with Natal, and it was seen as a gimmick since it didn't really have any good games. Thats why I say if Natal doesn't have games behind it, it will fail, but I don't think MS is going to let it go the way of the eye since they have invested so heavily in this. Also, Don't get me wrong Move is interesting and fairly innovative tech, were it not for Natal, I think it would have boosted Sony to 1st place for the best conference, but there is a reason Natal stole the show, it is different the what the wii has to offer, it looks new, it looks technologically advanced, and it looks fun. Move looks like a direct ripoff of the Wiimote and as such the people are drawn to Natal because it's different and "New" 

what is it you do not under stand..that it can track in 3d or

that it

CAN TRACK IN 3D!

the people who develop on it has stated that it can track in 3D!

once again:

Anton Mikhailov, a software engineer in research & development at SCE:

The Eye does all the depth tracking based on its view of the controller.


"The camera does 3D tracking. The Wii has a camera looking at the dots. But the reason it can't do 3D is because, as [people] turn away, [the hardware] loses sight of the dots -- and the dots move around in unpredictable ways.

hmm. I think Im going with Anton on this one

you and I both agree that Natal has the better camera technology, while that is true, it's also true that the playstation eye does indeed track in 3D.

that is a fact it can track in 3d or it can't there is no grey area. the EYETOY

CAN TRACK IN 3D



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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
ironman said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
FF_Fanatic said:
joeorc said:
account2099 said:

 

 

 

 

 

  I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Move isn't going to sell that great.

 

 

neither is natal! they both suck. and by the way. your agurment is weak and isn't worht debaiting.

You'll eat those words. I guarantee. (Unless MS fails to gather in devs for this thing...which I don't see since many devs are excited about this.) Anyway, nice to see you taking the cheap way out. Just because you can't argue with common sense does not give you the right to say my argument is weak.

 

it realy wasn't worth debaiting sence natal is said to be better. why make something if it's the same as something thats already on the market.
and i don't eat words just food. like i said in another thread. i will be surprised if either sells anything. i didn't mean your argument wasn't worth debaiting.

we will see win they are released. on another note. i can't debate this because i don't carre for either. and your word were a little harsh to the other guy. i must say you are good at this debating thing?

Natal is different than ANYTHING else on the console market past and present. At any rate, I underlined the part where you said my argument wasn't worth debating. 



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ironman said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
ironman said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
FF_Fanatic said:
joeorc said:
account2099 said:

 

 

 

 

 

  I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Move isn't going to sell that great.

 

 

neither is natal! they both suck. and by the way. your agurment is weak and isn't worht debaiting.

You'll eat those words. I guarantee. (Unless MS fails to gather in devs for this thing...which I don't see since many devs are excited about this.) Anyway, nice to see you taking the cheap way out. Just because you can't argue with common sense does not give you the right to say my argument is weak.

 

it realy wasn't worth debaiting sence natal is said to be better. why make something if it's the same as something thats already on the market.
and i don't eat words just food. like i said in another thread. i will be surprised if either sells anything. i didn't mean your argument wasn't worth debaiting.

we will see win they are released. on another note. i can't debate this because i don't carre for either. and your word were a little harsh to the other guy. i must say you are good at this debating thing?

Natal is different than ANYTHING else on the console market past and present. At any rate, I underlined the part where you said my argument wasn't worth debating. 


i know i said it. thats why i said i didn't mean to.



joeorc said:
ironman said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
FF_Fanatic said:
joeorc said:
account2099 said:

 

 

 

 

 

  I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Move isn't going to sell that great.

 

 

neither is natal! they both suck. and by the way. your agurment is weak and isn't worht debaiting.

You'll eat those words. I guarantee. (Unless MS fails to gather in devs for this thing...which I don't see since many devs are excited about this.) Anyway, nice to see you taking the cheap way out. Just because you can't argue with common sense does not give you the right to say my argument is weak.

@ Joeorc

No, just no, in order for it to see in true 3D it needs a 2nd camera. It's REPLICATING 3D And it does it fairly well from what I've seen, but it is NOT on par with Natal, and it was seen as a gimmick since it didn't really have any good games. Thats why I say if Natal doesn't have games behind it, it will fail, but I don't think MS is going to let it go the way of the eye since they have invested so heavily in this. Also, Don't get me wrong Move is interesting and fairly innovative tech, were it not for Natal, I think it would have boosted Sony to 1st place for the best conference, but there is a reason Natal stole the show, it is different the what the wii has to offer, it looks new, it looks technologically advanced, and it looks fun. Move looks like a direct ripoff of the Wiimote and as such the people are drawn to Natal because it's different and "New" 

what is it you do not under stand..that it can track in 3d or

that it

CAN TRACK IN 3D!

the people who develop on it has stated that it can track in 3D!

hmm. I think Im going with Anton on this one

How many times must I say this, 2D replicating 3D is NOT 3D it's 2D on crack. It's easier for everybody to say "it tracks 3D" rather than saying "it's 2D replicating 3D motion tracking" and it sounds better too. It's physically impossible for a 2D camera to track in true 3D. 



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ironman said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
joeorc said:
ironman said:
FF_Fanatic said:
joeorc said:
account2099 said:

 

 

 

 

 

  I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. Move isn't going to sell that great.

 

 

neither is natal! they both suck. and by the way. your agurment is weak and isn't worht debaiting.

You'll eat those words. I guarantee. (Unless MS fails to gather in devs for this thing...which I don't see since many devs are excited about this.) Anyway, nice to see you taking the cheap way out. Just because you can't argue with common sense does not give you the right to say my argument is weak.

@ Joeorc

No, just no, in order for it to see in true 3D it needs a 2nd camera. It's REPLICATING 3D And it does it fairly well from what I've seen, but it is NOT on par with Natal, and it was seen as a gimmick since it didn't really have any good games. Thats why I say if Natal doesn't have games behind it, it will fail, but I don't think MS is going to let it go the way of the eye since they have invested so heavily in this. Also, Don't get me wrong Move is interesting and fairly innovative tech, were it not for Natal, I think it would have boosted Sony to 1st place for the best conference, but there is a reason Natal stole the show, it is different the what the wii has to offer, it looks new, it looks technologically advanced, and it looks fun. Move looks like a direct ripoff of the Wiimote and as such the people are drawn to Natal because it's different and "New" 

what is it you do not under stand..that it can track in 3d or

that it

CAN TRACK IN 3D!

the people who develop on it has stated that it can track in 3D!

hmm. I think Im going with Anton on this one

How many times must I say this, 2D replicating 3D is NOT 3D it's 2D on crack. It's easier for everybody to say "it tracks 3D" rather than saying "it's 2D replicating 3D motion tracking" and it sounds better too. It's physically impossible for a 2D camera to track in true 3D. 

you can say it all you want that does not mean your right!

The Eye does all the depth tracking based on its view of the controller.

"The camera does 3D tracking. The Wii has a camera looking at the dots. But the reason it can't do 3D is because, as [people] turn away, [the hardware] loses sight of the dots -- and the dots move around in unpredictable ways.

"Because our camera is looking at the controller, going back to the blind analogy, it's like those are our eyes that are watching the room for us. That's how we can tell position."

He switches the swords to models of a PS Move motion controller. The device is perfectly rendered to the controller we're holding in our hands, right down to the buttons as I move the controller around to face the PS Eye.

"This is the shape of the controller, overlayed on the video. You can actually see how precise this device is. If there was any error, you wouldn't see the controller where it's supposed to be. It's exactly where we are."

This is tracking your head and your hands. Natal is tracking your full body, so its doing the legs too. When we did Eye Toy, we found that actually these are the most important parts because they define your body. Most of the time people aren't doing kicks. It's more important to know precisely where your hand is rather than roughly know where your body is.

"I have these fine finger controls. I can squeeze the trigger. With Natal what you get is more like position. You don't actually get angles of your arms very well. We think that's more important. We're tracking less, but I think we're tracking in a more comprehensive way."

example:

The PlayStation Eye is an integral part of Sony's motion controller, the PlayStation Move. Using the illuminated sphere on top of the Move controller, the camera can track the player's movement in 3 dimensions by sensing the sphere's image size and speed. Depending on the game, the camera can also place the player's image into the gameworld, and map objects onto the Move so that the player appears to holding weapons, tools, or other objects.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.