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S.T.A.G.E. said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I cannot blame your friend. Sony has made the Wii a non factor for me this gen. Nintendo has lost all connection with me. They brought me into this style of entertainment as a child, but Playstation and Microsoft have been keeping me in it. I could care less if Sony copied, because they proved their point about what a hardcore system does and no one can really defend Nintendo. This E3 is do or die for Nintendo....plain and simple.

Unless you play games... not to say there are a shit ton of games out there to try out and play, but there are a shit ton of games out there to try out and play.  Really there has never been a time where one console has made another a "non factor" any way you go about it you're gonna miss out on games, and if your hobby is gaming... then you're missing out on your hobby. Hell I had the Atari Jaguar, the console has like 2 good games on it cause it had such a short lifespan, but its 2 games I got to play and enjoy so my time was well spent. 

Honestly whenever I hear anyone trashing another console cause of one of the competitors made the said console not worth it, I simply see someone trying to justify a purchase of one rather than the other to people who simply don't care, and I hear "derp derp derp" going through my head whenever they're speaking, its the oddest thing.

I guess this all boils down to perspective my friend, so I'll spell it out. The Wii does have a "shit ton" of games out there to play, but an increasingly large amount of them are shovelware. Because of Sony's strictness with quality control I am already expecting Move titles beyond the Wii and thats the way I like it. I like to expect more as things evolve. As I've said in the past, I liked to play COD: WAW with my friends on the Wii, but thats on my friends Wii. I was planning to get a Wii when it came out with enough games that I wanted to play, but Sony basically filled the gap with a preliminary showing which I feel is superior to almost anything the Wii has out aside from a handful first party titles. The Move is basically a Wii-mote on crack and with the camera adds depth to the picture which the Wii cannot replicate unless they gather a camera themselves. It's not just about graphics for me, but that also helps paint the picture, especially if a shooter is involved. I never realized how great the possibilities for a wand shooter was on the Wii until a third party title like COD: WAW and with the PS3...I see that as a non-factor. Mod Nation Racers has replaced Mario Kart for me as a figure of taste. If I want Mario, I'll just create him.....and the scary part is......you can.

I'm not trashing the Wii, but I am stating how I feel growing up with Nintendo and feeling let down. (Example of trashing the Wii: The Wii is a POS!) The OP asked for a comment about how people feel about the situation and quite frankly cannot blame nor condone the way the situation has turned out.

To conclude with another perspective, I mainly talk to older people and the majority of my friends are in their late 20's. I will narrow them down to the friends who actually have the Wii, because the others just don't care for Wii titles unless it's a party game. I have a friend whom is 28 and has saved for a very long time to buy a house so he will not have to have an apartment. Everytime he sees us playing a 360 or PS3 he attributes his purchase to only having the Wii so he could focus on other things in life. He literally told me that if he had a PS3 or 360 he would either have to stop buying games for a long time (which is hard for him if he only has a fork out $60 or less for games after the console purchase). He knows Nintendo is lagging with the games he likes and finds that as a positive so he doesn't have to game. Yet...on his free time I see him at my friends house whom is 26 playing on his PS3 like a mad man (LOL you should see it). 

All my other friends who own the Wii and mainly play it for shooters like the game I previously mentioned were floored when they saw the GT Socom showing back home. These guys are not casual gamers by any means. They have game nights two times a week and play regularly on their own.

I go to an art school for illustration (but also dabble in graphics) but also trains furiously in animation and videogame development which has mainly PS3 and 360 owners and everyone games. The Wii owners admitted that they have been reduced in their free time to playing Tatsunoku (which is a lot of fun) and Brawl as multiplayer titles. When a PS3 or 360 party starts the room is filled. The gamers who create games has no time to play games, but because of the little money they have people swap games and they find it to be in their best interest when they have free time to swap PS3 or 360 games. This brings me to the time I had my paradigm shift about the Sony move, when gametrailers sent a flurry of Move videos our way actually showing us the possibilities. Being a students in a art/technological school, we obviously have to test this product to come up with a final idea, but from what we saw....purely as far as the core in gaming is concerned....its pretty much over unless Nintendo changes the game plan. PC is also the main thing everyone has in their room of course, but I am speaking of consoles. 

Are you somewhat starting to understand my point or at least the perspective?

 

P.S.

You also must admit the excitement is added for the possibilities knowing Microsoft and Sony are hugely behind 3rd parties. This means more quality titles.

STAGE! Hey I have to reply to you also because you said no one can defend Nintendo. Well I'm going to try. I have to do this because you're on the "other" side. Every console has shovelware, theres nothing you can do about it. Yeah Wii has a lot but no on is forcing you to buy it are they? And you said you're expecting move titles to be beyond the Wii why? Because the tech looks to be more powerful. Because they showed off games that are strangely similar to ones Nintendo used in their videos. How is the move a Wii mote on crack? Sure, its accurate but WM+ gets the job done fine. Plus lets not talk about the design of that "thing".  Well I could drag on and on about why the Wii is just as great as any PS3 but then I would end up with five paragraphs :P haha but no really the Wii is just as hardcore as any PS3.



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theARTIST0017 said:
Cross-X said:
Are you disheartened because it was a gift you gave to your cousin and he sold it or because he sold the Wii for a PS3?

If it's because of the first reason, then I would sorta feel a bit disheartened. Yeah it's only a game console but still it's a gift from you so I wouldn't feel "OMG WHY DID HE DO THAT?!!" and be totally depressed about it but just feel a bit down.

If it's because of the second reason, then I wouldn't feel the same. I'm sure your cousin has certain games and genres he's more interested in that's on the PS3 and not on the Wii. That's simply his choice and preference and there' no point trying to do anything about it.

Thank you guys for replying, I actually didn't expect so many replies but I guess many people can relate. To answer your question a little bit of both but moreso the first reason. I mean my cousin has an Xbox 360 already and I personally don't believe owning both an Xbox 360 and a PS3. But yes it was a gift from me I mean I won that Wii in a machine then gave it to him, then he sold it. I'm a hyper Nintendo fan so that hurt but I will rub it in his face that I have games like MG2, Metroid etc.

Oh and he said Nintendo wasn't giving him what he wanted the he specified "Star Fox". The world the revolve around Star Fox you know. . . i'm just saying.

I doubt your cousin will be screaming for the hills when MG2 and Metroid come out. I understand how you feel though bro.



That hurts man. My friend did something similar to me. I gave him my original DS when I got a Lite and he sold it for a PSP. Betrayal!



theARTIST0017 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I cannot blame your friend. Sony has made the Wii a non factor for me this gen. Nintendo has lost all connection with me. They brought me into this style of entertainment as a child, but Playstation and Microsoft have been keeping me in it. I could care less if Sony copied, because they proved their point about what a hardcore system does and no one can really defend Nintendo. This E3 is do or die for Nintendo....plain and simple.

Unless you play games... not to say there are a shit ton of games out there to try out and play, but there are a shit ton of games out there to try out and play.  Really there has never been a time where one console has made another a "non factor" any way you go about it you're gonna miss out on games, and if your hobby is gaming... then you're missing out on your hobby. Hell I had the Atari Jaguar, the console has like 2 good games on it cause it had such a short lifespan, but its 2 games I got to play and enjoy so my time was well spent. 

Honestly whenever I hear anyone trashing another console cause of one of the competitors made the said console not worth it, I simply see someone trying to justify a purchase of one rather than the other to people who simply don't care, and I hear "derp derp derp" going through my head whenever they're speaking, its the oddest thing.

I guess this all boils down to perspective my friend, so I'll spell it out. The Wii does have a "shit ton" of games out there to play, but an increasingly large amount of them are shovelware. Because of Sony's strictness with quality control I am already expecting Move titles beyond the Wii and thats the way I like it. I like to expect more as things evolve. As I've said in the past, I liked to play COD: WAW with my friends on the Wii, but thats on my friends Wii. I was planning to get a Wii when it came out with enough games that I wanted to play, but Sony basically filled the gap with a preliminary showing which I feel is superior to almost anything the Wii has out aside from a handful first party titles. The Move is basically a Wii-mote on crack and with the camera adds depth to the picture which the Wii cannot replicate unless they gather a camera themselves. It's not just about graphics for me, but that also helps paint the picture, especially if a shooter is involved. I never realized how great the possibilities for a wand shooter was on the Wii until a third party title like COD: WAW and with the PS3...I see that as a non-factor. Mod Nation Racers has replaced Mario Kart for me as a figure of taste. If I want Mario, I'll just create him.....and the scary part is......you can.

I'm not trashing the Wii, but I am stating how I feel growing up with Nintendo and feeling let down. (Example of trashing the Wii: The Wii is a POS!) The OP asked for a comment about how people feel about the situation and quite frankly cannot blame nor condone the way the situation has turned out.

To conclude with another perspective, I mainly talk to older people and the majority of my friends are in their late 20's. I will narrow them down to the friends who actually have the Wii, because the others just don't care for Wii titles unless it's a party game. I have a friend whom is 28 and has saved for a very long time to buy a house so he will not have to have an apartment. Everytime he sees us playing a 360 or PS3 he attributes his purchase to only having the Wii so he could focus on other things in life. He literally told me that if he had a PS3 or 360 he would either have to stop buying games for a long time (which is hard for him if he only has a fork out $60 or less for games after the console purchase). He knows Nintendo is lagging with the games he likes and finds that as a positive so he doesn't have to game. Yet...on his free time I see him at my friends house whom is 26 playing on his PS3 like a mad man (LOL you should see it). 

All my other friends who own the Wii and mainly play it for shooters like the game I previously mentioned were floored when they saw the GT Socom showing back home. These guys are not casual gamers by any means. They have game nights two times a week and play regularly on their own.

I go to an art school for illustration (but also dabble in graphics) but also trains furiously in animation and videogame development which has mainly PS3 and 360 owners and everyone games. The Wii owners admitted that they have been reduced in their free time to playing Tatsunoku (which is a lot of fun) and Brawl as multiplayer titles. When a PS3 or 360 party starts the room is filled. The gamers who create games has no time to play games, but because of the little money they have people swap games and they find it to be in their best interest when they have free time to swap PS3 or 360 games. This brings me to the time I had my paradigm shift about the Sony move, when gametrailers sent a flurry of Move videos our way actually showing us the possibilities. Being a students in a art/technological school, we obviously have to test this product to come up with a final idea, but from what we saw....purely as far as the core in gaming is concerned....its pretty much over unless Nintendo changes the game plan. PC is also the main thing everyone has in their room of course, but I am speaking of consoles. 

Are you somewhat starting to understand my point or at least the perspective?

 

P.S.

You also must admit the excitement is added for the possibilities knowing Microsoft and Sony are hugely behind 3rd parties. This means more quality titles.

STAGE! Hey I have to reply to you also because you said no one can defend Nintendo. Well I'm going to try. I have to do this because you're on the "other" side. Every console has shovelware, theres nothing you can do about it. Yeah Wii has a lot but no on is forcing you to buy it are they? And you said you're expecting move titles to be beyond the Wii why? Because the tech looks to be more powerful. Because they showed off games that are strangely similar to ones Nintendo used in their videos. How is the move a Wii mote on crack? Sure, its accurate but WM+ gets the job done fine. Plus lets not talk about the design of that "thing".  Well I could drag on and on about why the Wii is just as great as any PS3 but then I would end up with five paragraphs :P haha but no really the Wii is just as hardcore as any PS3.

I'm glad there is someone who has the vigor to defend Nintendo, a company which I still respect, but have lost the taste for. You haven't been on edge like others, so I guess this convo will go well and we can talk about this properly. First and foremost I never stated anyone was forcing me to buy the Wii or I felt any pressure to buy it. I stated that I was waiting for at least a handful of games that I wanted on the Wii before I purchased it and it never happened. From my perspective of playing games all of my friends who own all of the systems have only 4-5 Wii games whilst having 15-40 PS360 titles in their library. I'm just averaging things out here. I have a friend who only has the Wii and still the only games he has are the only ones he cares about which are TVC, SSMB and Zelda. As for being hardcore the Wii is not as hardcore as the PS3 and it is says so by the main audience. It's not even as hardcore as the Gamecube. Core fans of Nintendo mainly supported the cube and you could tell in its sales who the games were directed to. The Wii states otherwise. It has hardcore games, but those are supported by an extreme minority now compared to the times of the cube. Have you asked your cousin why he didn't want the Wii? The answers might surprise you, hell...you might even know.

I don't like the Move because it resembles the Wii. I love the Move because I does what the Wii does better and adds to that with the depth of camera view so you can have even more innovative titles released. The preliminary titles on the move have impressed me more than most wii titles excluding TVC, SSMB, COD:WAW and games of that ilk. The move has a life of its own and really and truly with the marketing campaign i'm already seeing for the move, aside from the fact that the controller has too many buttons, the casuals wont exactly be flocking towards it. The hardcore will support it because finally a motion control has come along that can continue to give games to us on the level of what we play with a controller in our hand and experience it in a totally different matter. This is why. Pick your genre, the Move will have the Wii dead beat. As I said as well Sony also cornered Nintendo with Kart racing with MNR.

Can't wait to see your rebut. :) 



strunge said:
Jordahn said:
strunge said:
Fededx said:
How could he sell something that was given to him AS A GIFT! That's rude...

it is far less rude than the gift giver believing that the recipient must hold onto it forever. 

 

but that distracts from the main point that if you are disheartened because someone has lost interest in a product you enjoy and prefers another, you may have severe emotional problems that need to be chekced out because such personalizing of a brand to that extent isn't healthy and is beyond the normal realm of brand allegiance.

Very nice.  It seems everyone who disagreed with the person who sold the Wii doesn't really know what a gift is.

no, it is clear they are the ones that do.  you're the one who needs to do a simple oogle search on gift etiquette, it is perfectly acceptable for a recipient to return a gift, or even sell it. 

But I agree with this.  Was I not clear?



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theARTIST0017 said:

I am sorry but this is more personal nothing mainstream or anything. It was about a year back I was at Brunswick with my cousins and I won a Wii in one of the gaming machines and gave it to him (cause I already had one). Today I go to his house to find out that he had sold it with the help of a friend for $200. I asked him why he sold the Wii and he said becuse he was saving for a PS3. Not that was very disheartening to hear that he sold the Wii, but if he had sold it because he needed to pay a bill I would have reason and said oh because that makes sense. But to hear it was for a PS3 made it even worse because he used to love Nintendo but he kind of lost his love for it. I have nothing against Sony or anything I respect their business I like Playstation but I just felt like reaching out to fellow Nintendo gamers out their so you can tell me how this story makes you feel.

 

And if you guys have similar stories or something you would like to share please do. Oh and thank you for reading those that did.

 

 

Way back when, I am at a Toys R Us.  This was after the Crash of the 1980s.  They sold Atari 2600s even then.  Well, a guy goes in to buy a videogame system, and is very set on getting the 2600... eventhough the NES is out and building up a library of third party stuff.  Eventhough I tell the guy about the NES, he still decides he wanted to get the 2600 and he did.



strunge said:
Jordahn said:
strunge said:
Fededx said:
How could he sell something that was given to him AS A GIFT! That's rude...

it is far less rude than the gift giver believing that the recipient must hold onto it forever. 

 

but that distracts from the main point that if you are disheartened because someone has lost interest in a product you enjoy and prefers another, you may have severe emotional problems that need to be chekced out because such personalizing of a brand to that extent isn't healthy and is beyond the normal realm of brand allegiance.

Very nice.  It seems everyone who disagreed with the person who sold the Wii doesn't really know what a gift is.

no, it is clear they are the ones that do.  you're the one who needs to do a simple oogle search on gift etiquette, it is perfectly acceptable for a recipient to return a gift, or even sell it. 

This isn't just a standard gift, you're missing the context. It goes like this:


*OP wins a Wii with cousin nearby*

"Cool, I have two Wii's now, but I'm fine with just owning one. Whatever will I do with the second one... Oh! Did you want one, cousin? You can have it, then. Enjoy!"

"Yeah, cool. Thanks!"

*cousin takes the Wii home and sells it*


You're trying to tell me that recipient isn't an asshole?

The Wii was given under the expectation that the cousin had more use for it than the OP did. That is the only reason why it was given away (and since the recipient was there when it happened, he knows this). In a world where you can expect these kind of gifts to be sold back like that, we wouldn't give them out in the first place. It'd look something like this:


*OP wins a second Wii*

Cousin: Aww, damn! Lucky you! I wish I had a Wii.

OP: Actually, with this, I have two Wii's now. I have no use for this one though. Hmm...

Cousin: ... *looks hopeful*

OP: Yeah, I've decided. I'm sellin' this bitch! Need me some weed money!


Also, being disheartened because your cousin, friend or whoever does not share your interests does not equate to "severe emotional problems." Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? As far as I know, most people get along better when their interests are more aligned. Just look at this very website, the social groups tend to be segregated based on game tastes.

People really take this anti-fanboyism thing to crazy extremes, this thread is a perfect example. Everyone has to pretend like they have no attachments to their hobbies, and it's bullshit. If my friends all lost interest in video games, that'd be horrible, because I couldn't talk to them about it, would no longer play games with them, etc. Replace "video games" with "Nintendo games," or any other interest and you have a very similar situation.



c0rd said:
strunge said:
Jordahn said:
strunge said:
Fededx said:
How could he sell something that was given to him AS A GIFT! That's rude...

it is far less rude than the gift giver believing that the recipient must hold onto it forever. 

 

but that distracts from the main point that if you are disheartened because someone has lost interest in a product you enjoy and prefers another, you may have severe emotional problems that need to be chekced out because such personalizing of a brand to that extent isn't healthy and is beyond the normal realm of brand allegiance.

Very nice.  It seems everyone who disagreed with the person who sold the Wii doesn't really know what a gift is.

no, it is clear they are the ones that do.  you're the one who needs to do a simple oogle search on gift etiquette, it is perfectly acceptable for a recipient to return a gift, or even sell it. 

This isn't just a standard gift, you're missing the context. It goes like this:


*OP wins a Wii with cousin nearby*

"Cool, I have two Wii's now, but I'm fine with just owning one. Whatever will I do with the second one... Oh! Did you want one, cousin? You can have it, then. Enjoy!"

"Yeah, cool. Thanks!"

*cousin takes the Wii home and sells it*


You're trying to tell me that recipient isn't an asshole?

The Wii was given under the expectation that the cousin had more use for it than the OP did. That is the only reason why it was given away (and since the recipient was there when it happened, he knows this). In a world where you can expect these kind of gifts to be sold back like that, we wouldn't give them out in the first place. It'd look something like this:


*OP wins a second Wii*

Cousin: Aww, damn! Lucky you! I wish I had a Wii.

OP: Actually, with this, I have two Wii's now. I have no use for this one though. Hmm...

Cousin: ... *looks hopeful*

OP: Yeah, I've decided. I'm sellin' this bitch! Need me some weed money!


Also, being disheartened because your cousin, friend or whoever does not share your interests does not equate to "severe emotional problems." Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? As far as I know, most people get along better when their interests are more aligned. Just look at this very website, the social groups tend to be segregated based on game tastes.

People really take this anti-fanboyism thing to crazy extremes, this thread is a perfect example. Everyone has to pretend like they have no attachments to their hobbies, and it's bullshit. If my friends all lost interest in video games, that'd be horrible, because I couldn't talk to them about it, would no longer play games with them, etc. Replace "video games" with "Nintendo games," or any other interest and you have a very similar situation.

Technically his cousin isn't an asshole. He's done nothing wrong. For instance, which is worse....selling or trading away a gift you paid for and thought they would like or a gift you got for free and thought they would like? Truthfully.....it probably cost him less than a dollar to get it. He should be proud because he saved his cousin 300 on a console whichever way you slice it. The smile on his cousins face should suffice. A gift is meant to be given to either help or please the one you give it to....it's not done for your own intentions.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
theARTIST0017 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I cannot blame your friend. Sony has made the Wii a non factor for me this gen. Nintendo has lost all connection with me. They brought me into this style of entertainment as a child, but Playstation and Microsoft have been keeping me in it. I could care less if Sony copied, because they proved their point about what a hardcore system does and no one can really defend Nintendo. This E3 is do or die for Nintendo....plain and simple.

Unless you play games... not to say there are a shit ton of games out there to try out and play, but there are a shit ton of games out there to try out and play.  Really there has never been a time where one console has made another a "non factor" any way you go about it you're gonna miss out on games, and if your hobby is gaming... then you're missing out on your hobby. Hell I had the Atari Jaguar, the console has like 2 good games on it cause it had such a short lifespan, but its 2 games I got to play and enjoy so my time was well spent. 

Honestly whenever I hear anyone trashing another console cause of one of the competitors made the said console not worth it, I simply see someone trying to justify a purchase of one rather than the other to people who simply don't care, and I hear "derp derp derp" going through my head whenever they're speaking, its the oddest thing.

I guess this all boils down to perspective my friend, so I'll spell it out. The Wii does have a "shit ton" of games out there to play, but an increasingly large amount of them are shovelware. Because of Sony's strictness with quality control I am already expecting Move titles beyond the Wii and thats the way I like it. I like to expect more as things evolve. As I've said in the past, I liked to play COD: WAW with my friends on the Wii, but thats on my friends Wii. I was planning to get a Wii when it came out with enough games that I wanted to play, but Sony basically filled the gap with a preliminary showing which I feel is superior to almost anything the Wii has out aside from a handful first party titles. The Move is basically a Wii-mote on crack and with the camera adds depth to the picture which the Wii cannot replicate unless they gather a camera themselves. It's not just about graphics for me, but that also helps paint the picture, especially if a shooter is involved. I never realized how great the possibilities for a wand shooter was on the Wii until a third party title like COD: WAW and with the PS3...I see that as a non-factor. Mod Nation Racers has replaced Mario Kart for me as a figure of taste. If I want Mario, I'll just create him.....and the scary part is......you can.

I'm not trashing the Wii, but I am stating how I feel growing up with Nintendo and feeling let down. (Example of trashing the Wii: The Wii is a POS!) The OP asked for a comment about how people feel about the situation and quite frankly cannot blame nor condone the way the situation has turned out.

To conclude with another perspective, I mainly talk to older people and the majority of my friends are in their late 20's. I will narrow them down to the friends who actually have the Wii, because the others just don't care for Wii titles unless it's a party game. I have a friend whom is 28 and has saved for a very long time to buy a house so he will not have to have an apartment. Everytime he sees us playing a 360 or PS3 he attributes his purchase to only having the Wii so he could focus on other things in life. He literally told me that if he had a PS3 or 360 he would either have to stop buying games for a long time (which is hard for him if he only has a fork out $60 or less for games after the console purchase). He knows Nintendo is lagging with the games he likes and finds that as a positive so he doesn't have to game. Yet...on his free time I see him at my friends house whom is 26 playing on his PS3 like a mad man (LOL you should see it). 

All my other friends who own the Wii and mainly play it for shooters like the game I previously mentioned were floored when they saw the GT Socom showing back home. These guys are not casual gamers by any means. They have game nights two times a week and play regularly on their own.

I go to an art school for illustration (but also dabble in graphics) but also trains furiously in animation and videogame development which has mainly PS3 and 360 owners and everyone games. The Wii owners admitted that they have been reduced in their free time to playing Tatsunoku (which is a lot of fun) and Brawl as multiplayer titles. When a PS3 or 360 party starts the room is filled. The gamers who create games has no time to play games, but because of the little money they have people swap games and they find it to be in their best interest when they have free time to swap PS3 or 360 games. This brings me to the time I had my paradigm shift about the Sony move, when gametrailers sent a flurry of Move videos our way actually showing us the possibilities. Being a students in a art/technological school, we obviously have to test this product to come up with a final idea, but from what we saw....purely as far as the core in gaming is concerned....its pretty much over unless Nintendo changes the game plan. PC is also the main thing everyone has in their room of course, but I am speaking of consoles. 

Are you somewhat starting to understand my point or at least the perspective?

 

P.S.

You also must admit the excitement is added for the possibilities knowing Microsoft and Sony are hugely behind 3rd parties. This means more quality titles.

STAGE! Hey I have to reply to you also because you said no one can defend Nintendo. Well I'm going to try. I have to do this because you're on the "other" side. Every console has shovelware, theres nothing you can do about it. Yeah Wii has a lot but no on is forcing you to buy it are they? And you said you're expecting move titles to be beyond the Wii why? Because the tech looks to be more powerful. Because they showed off games that are strangely similar to ones Nintendo used in their videos. How is the move a Wii mote on crack? Sure, its accurate but WM+ gets the job done fine. Plus lets not talk about the design of that "thing".  Well I could drag on and on about why the Wii is just as great as any PS3 but then I would end up with five paragraphs :P haha but no really the Wii is just as hardcore as any PS3.

I'm glad there is someone who has the vigor to defend Nintendo, a company which I still respect, but have lost the taste for. You haven't been on edge like others, so I guess this convo will go well and we can talk about this properly. First and foremost I never stated anyone was forcing me to buy the Wii or I felt any pressure to buy it. I stated that I was waiting for at least a handful of games that I wanted on the Wii before I purchased it and it never happened. From my perspective of playing games all of my friends who own all of the systems have only 4-5 Wii games whilst having 15-40 PS360 titles in their library. I'm just averaging things out here. I have a friend who only has the Wii and still the only games he has are the only ones he cares about which are TVC, SSMB and Zelda. As for being hardcore the Wii is not as hardcore as the PS3 and it is says so by the main audience. It's not even as hardcore as the Gamecube. Core fans of Nintendo mainly supported the cube and you could tell in its sales who the games were directed to. The Wii states otherwise. It has hardcore games, but those are supported by an extreme minority now compared to the times of the cube. Have you asked your cousin why he didn't want the Wii? The answers might surprise you, hell...you might even know.

I don't like the Move because it resembles the Wii. I love the Move because I does what the Wii does better and adds to that with the depth of camera view so you can have even more innovative titles released. The preliminary titles on the move have impressed me more than most wii titles excluding TVC, SSMB, COD:WAW and games of that ilk. The move has a life of its own and really and truly with the marketing campaign i'm already seeing for the move, aside from the fact that the controller has too many buttons, the casuals wont exactly be flocking towards it. The hardcore will support it because finally a motion control has come along that can continue to give games to us on the level of what we play with a controller in our hand and experience it in a totally different matter. This is why. Pick your genre, the Move will have the Wii dead beat. As I said as well Sony also cornered Nintendo with Kart racing with MNR.

Can't wait to see your rebut. :) 

I see. No I never said anyone was forcing you to buy Wii, I said nobody was focing you to buy shovelware. When I get into arguments people always bring up shovelware and it makes me mad (when I get into arguments with my cousin) because they say Nintendo makes this and that shovelware game. Then I have to step up to the plate and say, no Nintendo does not make that game and no one is forcing you to buy it. Now when I read what you say, you're tellinig you have friends that have only 5 wii games and 40 PS3 games. Thats because they don't do their research. Yes I'm assuming because most people do not do their research. I can sit here and name 50 great games for the Wii. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it, but I can. I know people that use their Wii and don't use their PS3's. Im pretty sure thats how it is in a lot of places. Naming a console hardcore, well yeah I said the Wii is hardcore, but really that doesn't mean anything. Its about the gamers. None of us can really say that the Move does what the Wii does but better because we haven't used it. I also don't believe the Move will be supported that much. 3rd party developers that develop for the 360 and PS3 most likely wont be to into the whole Move. Yeah it will see some support here and there but ultimately Wii is the place for motion control. It was implemented at the beggining of the Wii and it stands strong.

Most "Hardcore" PS3 fans probably will not invest in Move I gauruntee it make a forum. Ask how many will "Buy" at launch day. And then you say Move will have Wii dead beat? Nintendo is smarter than that. Nintendo knew that Sony was going to copy them before they revealed the Wi remote. Nintendo is always one step ahead. Even when it seems like they're down, there not. Nintendo made the controller, created L and R buttons, had the first joystic, made rumble first, and did motion controls first thats what I mean by they're one step ahead. Now this gaming generation i past its half-life and NOW Sony decides, hey lets make our own motion control. I'm pretty sure thats not going to affect them overall. 3DS. I'm pretty sure you've heard of that. The next generation in Nintendo hanheld console gaming. Comes with 3D gaming technology I mean come on how are they doing this thats amazing. Move will not scratch Wii and the numbers speak for themselves (70+ million).

Oh and the little thing about MNR beating Mario Kart. The entire Mario Kart series has sold a combined total of 71.11 million while MNR has sold 0 so . . . . . . yeah ummm . . . . .

 



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
c0rd said:
strunge said:
Jordahn said:
strunge said:
Fededx said:
How could he sell something that was given to him AS A GIFT! That's rude...

it is far less rude than the gift giver believing that the recipient must hold onto it forever. 

 

but that distracts from the main point that if you are disheartened because someone has lost interest in a product you enjoy and prefers another, you may have severe emotional problems that need to be chekced out because such personalizing of a brand to that extent isn't healthy and is beyond the normal realm of brand allegiance.

Very nice.  It seems everyone who disagreed with the person who sold the Wii doesn't really know what a gift is.

no, it is clear they are the ones that do.  you're the one who needs to do a simple oogle search on gift etiquette, it is perfectly acceptable for a recipient to return a gift, or even sell it. 

This isn't just a standard gift, you're missing the context. It goes like this:


*OP wins a Wii with cousin nearby*

"Cool, I have two Wii's now, but I'm fine with just owning one. Whatever will I do with the second one... Oh! Did you want one, cousin? You can have it, then. Enjoy!"

"Yeah, cool. Thanks!"

*cousin takes the Wii home and sells it*


You're trying to tell me that recipient isn't an asshole?

The Wii was given under the expectation that the cousin had more use for it than the OP did. That is the only reason why it was given away (and since the recipient was there when it happened, he knows this). In a world where you can expect these kind of gifts to be sold back like that, we wouldn't give them out in the first place. It'd look something like this:


*OP wins a second Wii*

Cousin: Aww, damn! Lucky you! I wish I had a Wii.

OP: Actually, with this, I have two Wii's now. I have no use for this one though. Hmm...

Cousin: ... *looks hopeful*

OP: Yeah, I've decided. I'm sellin' this bitch! Need me some weed money!


Also, being disheartened because your cousin, friend or whoever does not share your interests does not equate to "severe emotional problems." Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? As far as I know, most people get along better when their interests are more aligned. Just look at this very website, the social groups tend to be segregated based on game tastes.

People really take this anti-fanboyism thing to crazy extremes, this thread is a perfect example. Everyone has to pretend like they have no attachments to their hobbies, and it's bullshit. If my friends all lost interest in video games, that'd be horrible, because I couldn't talk to them about it, would no longer play games with them, etc. Replace "video games" with "Nintendo games," or any other interest and you have a very similar situation.

Technically his cousin isn't an asshole. He's done nothing wrong. For instance, which is worse....selling or trading away a gift you paid for and thought they would like or a gift you got for free and thought they would like? Truthfully.....it probably cost him less than a dollar to get it. He should be proud because he saved his cousin 300 on a console whichever way you slice it. The smile on his cousins face should suffice. A gift is meant to be given to either help or please the one you give it to....it's not done for your own intentions.

well I wouldn't call my cousin that he's family but the gift had sentimental value to all the people in his family that played it and to me who gave it to him in the first place. Shoot there were Mii's on there. He didn't even ask if i would care. I didn't even find out until I asked him about it.



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nintendo forever . . .