Finals have been getting in my way to play much, but it seems like a fun game to be played.

However I can't agree with your 'it takes no skill" argument,since Halo games have NEVER taken a lot of skill. They are noobish games plain and simple. They are fun and and great locally and take it for what it is, but if you want to measure your mettle go play UT or Quake. Even CS took more skill than Halo1 and CS was usually laughed at as the game noobs play.

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Get 'im Selnor

Anyonewho says otherwise either has notplayed UT and Quake and CS, or they just sucked at it and tried to make themselves feel better by "pwning" in Halo CE, then tried to convince others it actually took skill.

Ignorant people are funny.

Your wrong in so many different ways I can't help but chuckle.

You seem liek those skilless noobs who just couldn't handle UT and Quake. I am sorry, but absolutely everything you have to do in Halo you have to do in UT and Quake, plus have it twice as fast, plus have twice as much mobility. That right there is the definition of a superior skill-based game. I am sorry you weren't cut out for the best, no teveryone else is, at least you have Halo to keep you company.

I agree have coming from the consoles after play xbl since its launch, and playing  STRICTLY pc for the last 6months playing css, starcraft1+2,

and l4d2 etc (used to play wow and starcraft back in 07 for a year but on a laptop which broke and now have a gaming rig! ) I basically have

gotten my ass handed to me on the pc (only on css and starcraft). But the thing is I still come back for more, cause I see the improvements I am

making, last month getting own by (insert css or sc name here) now I am beating him. But there is always someone better that still owns me

and I was asking for tips to get better. That why I like playing fps/rts competeivly cause I know when I am better then somone your going to

beat them 9/10 on pc. I play l4d2 and team fortress for when I just want to chill and relax but Ill jump into room have those games that get

pretty competive also, but those games are easyiar to pick up on then css or sc. @ MIRGRO even people on css said that css takes skill but not

as much as Quake or UT ...what specific quake or UT are they talking about and are they still played today, kinda of want to pick them up?

I finally played it and agree with you its terrible. This is going to be a halo thats made for people who didnt like the other halo Multiplayer games. its a very very dumbed down version of halo. Honestly it feels like Starwars battlefront meets Call of Duty.

yeah bungie really sold themselves out on this one...they had a great formula and a huge

fanbase, every halo game sold well, I just dont see the need for so much change, its way

more then just throwdowns in halo 3. I have a feeling many people that enjoyed the orginal

formula will not buy this one, but the game is going to sell well...so according to bungie it will

be a success. I feel bad for 343 industries now they are gonna have to decide to go back to

the orginal formula and ignore people who liked that or just say screw it and had killstreaks in

halo 4 and just burn this game to the ground.

Please do explain how it's dumbed down.

The only people who are complaining abou the Beta are complete skrubs. Sure there's a few little things here and there but thats why its a beta.

And I'm still not buying that it doesn't take skill and Halo 3 does blah blah blah because I'll accept a 1v1 request on either Reach or Halo 3 right now. And odds are I'll win. And yes Reach does take far more skill than Halo 3. The DMR and Pistol take so much more skill to shoot than the BR its rediculous.