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cacafina said:
I didn't like the abilities at all, i mean running should not be an ability should be someting anyone could use. and i hate that the running gauge won't recover until you finish it. The jet pack should be an item not an ability, i hate that there are so many people flying around. The unvunerability and the invisibility should be an item just as in halo 3. But well the game is cool so far. Another thing i didn't liked was that you can choose a map out of 3 or so. because people will just choose the one they like and you always play in powerhouse.

To many people are playing noobs etc. To many flying, to many armour lock.Guys later on in the skill tree people dont overuse abilities because those guys get wasted. Already I have some great tactics to kill Armour lock overusers, as well as Jetpack overusers. Camo is harder, but brilliant when you spot the slimy noob and tan him.

Sprint is fantastic. I'll post tips and tactics soon.



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selnor said:
homicidaIpanda said:
selnor said:
FullMetalMerc said:
selnor said:
It's your opinion. But I loved Halo 3. And Reach is alot better. It makes MW2 seem old in innovation.

Bring on the Reach.

with all the loadouts and new game modes Reach is more like MW2 than halo 3, the promoshot of reach is just like the cover of MW2 except the guy is a spartan with a suit.

MW2 


http://www.ps3vault.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wallpaper_modern_warfare_2_02.jpg

 

Reach

 

http://gamerlimit.com/files/2010/02/Halo-Reach.jpg


Ok I understand the resemblances.

But what Reach does is balance and matchmaking to perfection.

MW2 is so unbalanced at times. kills are nothing more than better equipped than your foe. Also Matchmaking is something Halo will always be the frontrunner with. It's the maps where COD really falls down on, as well as game modes.

Reach has a balance just not found elsewhere. It's faster than Halo 3. More tactical than MW2 or Halo 3 and the maps are 9 years of experience.

It's one of those games where everything you thought was perfect about it's predecessor has it's faults shown with it's sequel.

If other games were trying to better Halo 3, and got close. Reach has just extended that gap hugely again. Cant wait to play Invasion and Generator Defense.

If Reach's graphics were like Halo 1's it would still be the greatest online experience Ive ever had. It's funny cause while your playing you really couldn't care less about the graphics. Even for a graphics nut like me. The fun had is that overwhelming. God Headhunter is amazing.

So i dragged myself through 4 more hours of beta this morning.

I completely disagree with everything you just said except for the matchmaking being the best and halo will always be the front runner that is

true. The voting system is great also. The balance in this game is terrible, if instance I was scount with bone hammer and ran around just to

show people how broken this game is and completely does not play like a  halo game.  Also I went like 15 and 0 being the stalker class before

my controller died on me and I just shut off my 360 laughing my ass off thinking that the game I just played is supposed to replace Halo 3. So

want am I supposed to check every little place to find stalker people? What if my whole team decides to use stalker? Dont even get me on

armor block lol....so when you fail so hard you can press LB to have a secound chance lol

One time i got stuck by a plasma grenade and did my armor block and I was fine..then I killed him..the guy was yelling all over the mic saying

want bs, I simply said this is no halo game so dont worry about.

 

Faster then Halo 3 so waiting for someone to come out of armor block speeds up the game? Also pacing in general and jumping are slower and

you dont jump nearly as high.

Its one of the games were if you acutally played H2 and H3 online your  like "wow if it isnt broke dont fix it"

Reach just ruined the Halo name and the competive play that you were able to expirence to a more pick up and play game. I hope Halo is

removed from the name and just have reach there. Hopefully 343 industries can make Halo 4 and just build off of reaches engine with H3

gameplay. This is game is far less tactilc then Halo 3...no more fighting for highground or overshiled or active camo.

Really. LOL.

Sorry but you would have been destroyed in some of the games I have played. Your playing noobs man. Halo veterans will mow you down if you play like you just described.

Armour lock is really for being swamped. Doing it  1 on 1, will get you wasted. Like the guy with a sticky on you. If someone armour locks while 1 on 1, I laugh run back from them wait 2 or 3 secs and let go of a normal grenade. It sits beside them, their lock runs out and its goodbye my friend.

Anyone complaining about the abilities hasnt played against anyone decent. The abilities are aids that everyone has. I have played quite alot of Reach about 12 hours. I am Sargent Grade 2. The guys I am Matchmaked with are seriously good. And Armour lock is by no means the choice ability.

Get your skill rating higher and come and play the big boys.

Stalker. Any person moving in Stalker is visible. I have had so many Stalker guys cursing me in Free For All because they donr understand the millions of tactics Reach has.

By all means hate the game. By all means dont play it.

But 1 thing is for sure. Reach has so much more tactics and possibilites as it is, I really cant be arsed with Halo 3 anymore.

Selnor I defend you all the time but you my friend are no halo veteren. Halo veteran hate this fucking piece a shit

sorry for such harsh words but everone I know hates it (people that played halo 2 and 3 competivley)...absoulte garbage and should not be a

halo game. I think I played reach for about 8 hours and played agiast all types of people and the games inbalanced. You obviously never played

MLG lvl 50 play or any high Teamslayer in halo 2 or 3. I know how you are any xbox exclusive is the best game of the month, usally I tend to

agree with you but for once I am bashing people that once made a great game..instead they made it for the casuel market...go read the bungie

forums bro alot of people hate it. Never once have halo veterans asked for classed base, armor power up suit garbage. If you are considering

yourself a halo veterean I am ashamed to call myself one.  I really cant believe people are accepting reach as a halo game its so sad, the

weapons and aa are so korney and cheesy..lol  I guess its want all the halo noobs wanted though add a sprint button and take away skill

weapons and while bungie was at that they decided to add jetpacks and other dumb stuff. If you go by the order of the story its the order of

the competive gameplay as well. Reach



homicidaIpanda said:
selnor said:
homicidaIpanda said:
selnor said:
FullMetalMerc said:
selnor said:
It's your opinion. But I loved Halo 3. And Reach is alot better. It makes MW2 seem old in innovation.

Bring on the Reach.

with all the loadouts and new game modes Reach is more like MW2 than halo 3, the promoshot of reach is just like the cover of MW2 except the guy is a spartan with a suit.

MW2 


http://www.ps3vault.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wallpaper_modern_warfare_2_02.jpg

 

Reach

 

http://gamerlimit.com/files/2010/02/Halo-Reach.jpg


Ok I understand the resemblances.

But what Reach does is balance and matchmaking to perfection.

MW2 is so unbalanced at times. kills are nothing more than better equipped than your foe. Also Matchmaking is something Halo will always be the frontrunner with. It's the maps where COD really falls down on, as well as game modes.

Reach has a balance just not found elsewhere. It's faster than Halo 3. More tactical than MW2 or Halo 3 and the maps are 9 years of experience.

It's one of those games where everything you thought was perfect about it's predecessor has it's faults shown with it's sequel.

If other games were trying to better Halo 3, and got close. Reach has just extended that gap hugely again. Cant wait to play Invasion and Generator Defense.

If Reach's graphics were like Halo 1's it would still be the greatest online experience Ive ever had. It's funny cause while your playing you really couldn't care less about the graphics. Even for a graphics nut like me. The fun had is that overwhelming. God Headhunter is amazing.

So i dragged myself through 4 more hours of beta this morning.

I completely disagree with everything you just said except for the matchmaking being the best and halo will always be the front runner that is

true. The voting system is great also. The balance in this game is terrible, if instance I was scount with bone hammer and ran around just to

show people how broken this game is and completely does not play like a  halo game.  Also I went like 15 and 0 being the stalker class before

my controller died on me and I just shut off my 360 laughing my ass off thinking that the game I just played is supposed to replace Halo 3. So

want am I supposed to check every little place to find stalker people? What if my whole team decides to use stalker? Dont even get me on

armor block lol....so when you fail so hard you can press LB to have a secound chance lol

One time i got stuck by a plasma grenade and did my armor block and I was fine..then I killed him..the guy was yelling all over the mic saying

want bs, I simply said this is no halo game so dont worry about.

 

Faster then Halo 3 so waiting for someone to come out of armor block speeds up the game? Also pacing in general and jumping are slower and

you dont jump nearly as high.

Its one of the games were if you acutally played H2 and H3 online your  like "wow if it isnt broke dont fix it"

Reach just ruined the Halo name and the competive play that you were able to expirence to a more pick up and play game. I hope Halo is

removed from the name and just have reach there. Hopefully 343 industries can make Halo 4 and just build off of reaches engine with H3

gameplay. This is game is far less tactilc then Halo 3...no more fighting for highground or overshiled or active camo.

Really. LOL.

Sorry but you would have been destroyed in some of the games I have played. Your playing noobs man. Halo veterans will mow you down if you play like you just described.

Armour lock is really for being swamped. Doing it  1 on 1, will get you wasted. Like the guy with a sticky on you. If someone armour locks while 1 on 1, I laugh run back from them wait 2 or 3 secs and let go of a normal grenade. It sits beside them, their lock runs out and its goodbye my friend.

Anyone complaining about the abilities hasnt played against anyone decent. The abilities are aids that everyone has. I have played quite alot of Reach about 12 hours. I am Sargent Grade 2. The guys I am Matchmaked with are seriously good. And Armour lock is by no means the choice ability.

Get your skill rating higher and come and play the big boys.

Stalker. Any person moving in Stalker is visible. I have had so many Stalker guys cursing me in Free For All because they donr understand the millions of tactics Reach has.

By all means hate the game. By all means dont play it.

But 1 thing is for sure. Reach has so much more tactics and possibilites as it is, I really cant be arsed with Halo 3 anymore.

Selnor I know your a 360 fanboy and I defend you all the time but you my friend are no halo veteren. Halo veteran hate this fucking piece a shit

sorry for such harsh words but everone I know hates it (people that played halo 2 and 3 competivley)...absoulte garbage and should not be a

halo game. I think I played reach for about 8 hours and played agiast all types of people and the games inbalanced. You obviously never played

MLG lvl 50 play or any high Teamslayer in halo 2 or 3. I know how you are any xbox exclusive is the best game of the month, usally I tend to

agree with you but for once I am bashing people that once made a great game..instead they made it for the casuel market...go read the bungie

forums bro alot of people hate it. Never once have halo veterans asked for classed base, armor power up suit garbage. If you are considering

yourself a halo veterean I am ashamed to call myself one.  I really cant believe people are accepting reach as a halo game its so sad, the

weapons and aa are so korney and cheesy..lol  I guess its want all the halo noobs wanted though add a sprint button and take away skill

weapons and while bungie was at that they decided to add jetpacks and other dumb stuff. If you go by the order of the story its the order of

the competive gameplay as well. Reach

Well I'll stop you right there. I was in the Halo 3 beta. And we had people just like you are now, saying Halo 3 sucks balls. The ability pickups ruin Halo OMG!. But the people that learned to use the abilities to different tactical advantages loved Halo 3.

And as of today millions of people religiously play Halo 3 because they love it. ( Even though in the Beta people made comments like you are now about Reach. )

I will say to you like I said to them. Play it, learn how to use it. I'm only basing it on what you said about the abilities. And I would love to see a player use AL in front of me. It's an easy kill. Based on you saying that, tells me you have learnt very very little about tactics of Reach, and that is exactly the same as somecomplaints in Halo 3's Beta.

I hope to god Bungie ingore comments like this about the game the same way they ignored the nes for Halo 3.



I loved the Halo 3 throwdown items, me and my friend were just talking about that today. How bungie changed Halo2 but not drastically and Halo 3 I loved from day friggin one. Reach is the first game that doesnt feel like halo, it feel almost forced I dont know how to explain better. Its mw2 with powerups minus killstreaks but Im sure that in the next halo will have killstreaks now, and Im sure you will love it. This game changed the halo formula way to much, and made it so noob friendly its pathetic. Its really ashame to watch this franchise that Ive been playing for the last ten years burn into another casuel shooter.

-NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT REACH

-increased radar size

- powerups-- teams used to battle for map control is now gone. powerups are now freebies every newb has.

-heath pack

-loadouts---lmfao

-slower pacing

-smaller jump

-jetpack---took away some "hard jumps in the game" newbs will be able to casuelly fly to destation.

-weapon now can shoot constant beams across maps as well has shoot plasma grenade

-br removed due to mlg haters complaing about being 4shotted... mlg playist was in halo3 but the complaining still contuied so it was removed it

-change the control you used for the past ten years about--so newbs can have there loadouts with powerup button.

- bungie must have played the game shadowrun to much and like it so we figured we would put halo name in it

-stopped being orginal---this is like mario or some other classic franchise being ruined.

-split the community halo3/reach

Positive about Reach

-Bungies last halo game

- Leave much to be desired in Halo 4 and put pressure on 343 industries.

-make you appreciate Halo ODST (just when you thought it couldnt get worse)

Neutral things about reach

-added halo1 and halo 2 life system

-you now only have to own call of duty or halo reach to get the same expierence ( save people 60 dollars)



homicidaIpanda said:

I loved the Halo 3 throwdown items, me and my friend were just talking about that today. How bungie changed Halo2 but not drastically and Halo 3 I loved from day friggin one. Reach is the first game that doesnt feel like halo, it feel almost forced I dont know how to explain better. Its mw2 with powerups minus killstreaks but Im sure that in the next halo will have killstreaks now, and Im sure you will love it. This game changed the halo formula way to much, and made it so noob friendly its pathetic. Its really ashame to watch this franchise that Ive been playing for the last ten years burn into another casuel shooter.

-NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT REACH

-increased radar size - This is a +

- powerups-- teams used to battle for map control is now gone. powerups are now freebies every newb has. - Thank god. More tactics over map control anyday of the week.

-heath pack - Finally more like Halo CE

-loadouts---lmfao - Best thing to happen to Halo.

-slower pacing - Really?! My copy of Reach is like 3 times faster than Halo 3.

-smaller jump - Brilliant. No longer can people jump half the lengh of an entire fighting space.

-jetpack---took away some "hard jumps in the game" newbs will be able to casuelly fly to destation. - But also means more map variety and taller maps. Also LOL at Jetpack newbies overusing. You can snipe them all day long.

-weapon now can shoot constant beams across maps as well has shoot plasma grenade - Niether of these is an issue. Learn some Reach tactics and dont rely on Halo 3 tactics.

-br removed due to mlg haters complaing about being 4shotted... mlg playist was in halo3 but the complaining still contuied so it was removed it - The DMR is actually a better weapon than BR. You can headshot in 2 if you are good.

-change the control you used for the past ten years about--so newbs can have there loadouts with powerup button. - Actually the controls were changed for Halo 3 so people could have there powerup button. Reach just moved it dude. IMO a much better layout. It makes sense for melee to be right next to shoot.

- bungie must have played the game shadowrun to much and like it so we figured we would put halo name in it - Never played Shadowrun. But Reach feels very much like Halo.

-stopped being orginal---this is like mario or some other classic franchise being ruined. - Everyone in the Halo 3 beta said the same thing. Look where Halo 3 is today.

-split the community halo3/reach - What you mean like Halo2/3? Learn new tactics or stay playing old games.

Positive about Reach

-Bungies last halo game

- Leave much to be desired in Halo 4 and put pressure on 343 industries.

-make you appreciate Halo ODST (just when you thought it couldnt get worse)

Neutral things about reach

-added halo1 and halo 2 life system

-you now only have to own call of duty or halo reach to get the same expierence ( save people 60 dollars)

All your positives are tosh. I think you die all the time or have never played it. Some Halo 3 lovers will moan all they like on Bungie.net. Actually there is less moaning about Halo Reach than there was about the Halo 3 beta. So it seems Bungie have done better this time around. Remeber the change Halo 3 petition. Had like 67,000 signatures. So glad Bungie ignored them people.

 



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one more positvie for Halo Reach--the only game mode worth anything is Team Slayer Pro which you have a 25%chance of getting...i dont get owned in reach beta fyi. Console shooters are lessing aiming and more strafing aim doesnt require to much skill.

But its beta and hopefully things will change

oh yeah one more negative wtf happed to the beam rifle...diffently made for noobs now you got to admit selnor.

if there is a playist that is pure team slayer pro...or even better no aa at all I may get this one ...one day...used

selnor what are you expecting metareview to be on "Halo" Reach? 



You played for 8 whole hours? Wow, I can see how you clearly understand all the intricacies of the game balance. There can't possibly be any subtle nuances to game play that will be discovered. No new tips, tricks, or tactics to be discovered at all. 8 hours is enough to completely master a game, and make broad sweeping claims about how competitive it is.

You say you used to be a pro-gamer. You should see just how absurd the above is then. That is precisely what you are claiming. I won't comment on whether it plays like Halo, or is better or worse. However, the claim that you could possibly know how well balanced the game is right now is quite obviously absurd.



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I'm not going to bother arguing with you since you clearly don't understand logic but I will say a few more things and then leave this thread.

Go to mlgpro.com every single old school Halo gamer and 90 percent of the new school gamers love Halo Reach. Stop lying and saying the Halo veterans hate it when all us Halo:CE player can't get enough of it. The powers are balanced your just not good enough of a player to take advantage of them. I would post a video of me playing and absolutely destroying kids with armor lock, camo and jet packs if I had a capture card since you clearly need a tutorial.

MLG has always modified the game types and they will do the same thing with Reach. They will make custom loadouts so most of the things you hate will be gone. Although that won't make a difference since you are clearly horrible at the game.

The majority of the people who hate the game are the people who suck at it. Prove me wrong and tell me your gamertag so I can look at your stats. Like I said before I'm glad that Bungie made a game that requires so much skill, the incessant whining of scrubs like you who think they were good at Halo before is proof of this.



                                           

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homicidaIpanda said:

one more positvie for Halo Reach--the only game mode worth anything is Team Slayer Pro which you have a 25%chance of getting...i dont get owned in reach beta fyi. Console shooters are lessing aiming and more strafing aim doesnt require to much skill.

But its beta and hopefully things will change

oh yeah one more negative wtf happed to the beam rifle...diffently made for noobs now you got to admit selnor.

if there is a playist that is pure team slayer pro...or even better no aa at all I may get this one ...one day...used

selnor what are you expecting metareview to be on "Halo" Reach? 

I couldnt care what it metas. It will be higher than Halo 3 though. The singleplayer will be the best yet.

But yeah I agree on the Beam Rifle. Essentially what we have is that Beam gun from Halo 1.

All I want for you to do is play it 'not' thinking of Halo 3. I admit at first I was really struggling. Suddenly the controls clicked, and new tactics started happening. Soon I was mixing it up with new ways to do things. I made an awesome kill on SwordBase Slayer Classic. There is no loadouts on that. And everyone has Sprint as the Ability.

I ran jumped from a balcony whilst sprinting to get extra distance. Jumped over to a bridge ( Far jump ) and Meleed a player as he was running across. He had know Idea it was coming. Loved it.



Mendicate Bias said:
I'm not going to bother arguing with you since you clearly don't understand logic but I will say a few more things and then leave this thread.

Go to mlgpro.com every single old school Halo gamer and 90 percent of the new school gamers love Halo Reach. Stop lying and saying the Halo veterans hate it when all us Halo:CE player can't get enough of it. The powers are balanced your just not good enough of a player to take advantage of them. I would post a video of me playing and absolutely destroying kids with armor lock, camo and jet packs if I had a capture card since you clearly need a tutorial.

MLG has always modified the game types and they will do the same thing with Reach. They will make custom loadouts so most of the things you hate will be gone. Although that won't make a difference since you are clearly horrible at the game.

The majority of the people who hate the game are the people who suck at it. Prove me wrong and tell me your gamertag so I can look at your stats. Like I said before I'm glad that Bungie made a game that requires so much skill, the incessant whining of scrubs like you who think they were good at Halo before is proof of this.


@giznmo--never said I was pro bro..cool story though

Hopefully that is true and they get rid of all the loadout stuff for mlg mode...I said I like the game but it doesnt feel like halo..slayer pro is cool...mlg hasnt really been big since 08, that want I read...Mlg is even accepting mw2 lol

I dont like halo reach competeivly atm, buts its beta...If I want to play a competive mp fps Ill play counterstrike for pc.