No the graphics are far, far worse because wii games have no AA and a 480p resolution as well as no procedurals etc.

Hardware doesn't limit what genre the console can do, but it serverly limits it. Take FPS' for an example. In an FPS a key element for it to be good is to have good AI - the CPU limits this and as the wii CPU is attrocious, the AI is very limited, and therefore is likely not to present a challenge to hardcore players, therefore making the game boring, rendering the point of the game a waste.

The PS2 had hardcore games BUT gamers expectations have increased since last generation, meaning if you were to port a hardcore game to the wii, say Killzone, all hardcore gamers would say it's a pile of **** because the AI is bad, the graphics are bad etc. This is because games are judged to what is around them at the time of release and prior. So in that sense however, a game like Shadow of the Colossus is still amazing, although it is graphically pants, because there has not been a game like it since. However when Last Guardian is released, gamers expectations may again rise, therefore rendering Shadow of the Colossus, like many other games, good for their time.

No, Mario Galaxy is no way near the graphics of games like Heavy Rain, Gears of War etc. There's no point arguing this, the hardware speaks for itself.

True the Conduit is for hardcore gamers, but the wii seems to lack good games for quality gamers which is my point.

As for porting the an old ps2 game to the wii, see the third para.

1)What the hell...? English please

2)Erm how did you come to that idea? I've played almost all the major games on all the platforms since last gen - how is that me not trying to expand my gaming experiences?

3)So if wii sports is not trying to be an accurate representation of sportm what does it offer over something like Virtua Tennis? It's not about it not appealing to me - I'm asking you why should I play wii tennis over virtua tennis?

4)No a hardcore gamer is one who demands the utter best from the game he is playing in comparison to all the other games on the market. I never said the hardcore gamer limits what he plays, but he does take into account the graphics etc as this is part of the game.How am I a graphics whore? If I play something like Forza, or Tiger Woods, something that's trying to be realistic, how is it then unreasonable to ask for realisitic graphics (in terms of gaming, not industry CGI) for immersion? Plus if I'm a minority, then how come over 70 million HD consoles have been sold?

5)Nice BS of last three paragraphs. So without futher a-do, why would a hardcore gamer choose a wii over the HD consoles or even a PC? The wii isn't for the hardcore, even Nintendo have admitted this so I have no idea why you are being so arrogant over it.

I thought Killzone was a piece of crap from the start or so I’ve heard so of course they are going to say it is crap if it gets ported :P

If they ported OoT to the Wii It would still be one hell of a game.

So you admit that the Wii has hardcore games even though you said that it can’t handle hardcore games :P if that work in your head then sure whatever you say.

It is not me who is saying that Galaxy is comparable to some of the HD games it is the critics plus you should know better than to compare a cartoonish game to realistic ones. :P  

What you did with Vaios game list clearly show how ignorant and biased you are against Nintendo. If Sony did them you would love them :P

Nah Killzone wasn't a Halo beater, but by no means was it crap.

Hum, OoT would look awful and I couldn't think of a reason someone should play it over TP, but then I can't think of a reason someone should play TP over Oblivion etc.

Well the wii can try to appeal to the hardcore, but it simply doesn't have the hardware to meet the demands that hardcore gamers ask for such as advanced AI, good animation, long levels, good graphics (somewhat vital for an FPS when you take draw distance, object recognistion etc into account).

I've learnt to ignore critics after some of them say the most idiotic crap I've heard and are far from being unbiased. In any case, 480p and no AA is just going to look bad compared to any decent game on the HD consoles, but that's not to say the game is bad.

What I did with Vaios game list was to read through the games, and most were multiplatform, and very few benchmark games on the list. Considering I've played most of the games on that last, I can't really see how I was being ignorant - lazy, yes, ignorant, no.

Well of course you can’t see that you were ignorant as you can’t even see when your wrong. :P

And why the hell would I play Oblivion over any Zelda game? me as a gamer I’m not looking at the graphics as the first thing. The important thing for a hardcore gamer is the game pay not how the thing looks. Sure I want good graphics but I would not take that over good game play.

A game could have great AI and Great graphics yet suck but clearly for you if the game does not have good graphics then it is not hardcore and it is not a good game.

What casual is, is people who look at the game and if it looks good graphically then they want to play it and then they will find out if it is good or not but that is the last thing they think about :P     

Mazty, I don't for a moment expect you to listen to me but one day you'll learn that games are more than feature lists and exercises in one-upping the competition. You have extremely strong negative preconceptions about certain kinds and genres of games, not to mention pretty much anything on the Wii which in the end is just robbing you of great gameplay experiences.

I can understand the Wii not being everyone's primary system but if you can say with a straight face that the Wii doesn't have a nice chunk of games that are must-plays for any serious gamer, then you need to hand in your gamer card because you're just not.

obviously its not only your gaming habits that are limited, understanding seems to be limited too.

Hardcore gamer thinks about games first and the rest later, you think graphic=good game wich is graphics whore thinking.

Wii is not a hardcore gmaing console only so it will never appeal to hardcore gamers only that why you have it winning the console wars, just like PS2 won because it was appealing to most gamers.

Any gamer that chooses the wii hardcore,core casual or new gamer is doing so for the experience not the graphics, its an experience you cant get from the other two yet (meybe never will either) but you cant compute that in your small sad world thats why you keep asking the same questions over and over again even when you have been given the answer.

Nice trolling counting 2 consoles against one, is that what you have to resort too to make your self relevant? In my post with games you diss the 360 games but when you need to you count the 360 as in your corner? pathetic and stupid to do so.

When your precious ps3 comes close to the wii then you might have an argument untill then you need the help of 360 to make one and that in it self should tell you you are in minoroty.

Have fun we are done here as you wont ever try and understand something you dont agree with.

....How am I being ignorant??

Since when was the selling point of the Elder Scrolls game graphics???? The gameplay of Oblivion is really good and far deeper and more immersive than TP without being inaccessible...Your comment just leads me to believe you clearly know nothing of Oblivion.  How is Oblivion a sacrifice in gameplay for graphics????

Since when did I say the game HAD to have great graphics? It's graphics have to be acceptable, and in some games there is a higher demand on graphics, e.g. Gran Turismo, simulation games, FPS' to help with immersion or gameplay, whereas RTS' can get away with having worse graphics as graphics only help with immersion to a certain point.

Casual are people who look at a game and say it looks fun, e.g. Wii sports. Casual are people who play games not reguarly and don't care for staying up to date with game releases, asking for parrallex mapping etc.

Casual gamers don't care about graphics or the rest of the market, they just want some quick fun. Hardcore gamers are much more demanding as they should have a knowledge of the market and so ask for a game of high quality, and therefore to keep them entertained they cannot be given an average game as they most likely have played better/are looking for better.E.g. Take an RTS hardcore gamer.  I couldn't give him Total Annihilation and expect him to have fun as he knows the graphics are awful, the AI is pathetic, the unit cap is tiny and so on as, being a hardcore RTS gamer, he should have an expansive knowledge of the games on the market and would realise that Total Annihilation is nothing good nowadays. But if I gave it to a casual gamer they could probably have fun as they may not have played a game like it before and so find it challenging, in otherwords, not boring.