But what are the games going to offer that the wii games don't already? That's what you guys are not thinking about. These people don't care about graphics or quality gameplay, they enjoy the wii because it is a bit of fun every now and again. Why would they spend cash on a new console when the wii satisfys their gaming needs while they do not care about better graphics or gameplay?

How about because the new system offers game-play that isn't possible on the Wii? Or how about because the new system has several exclusive games that these gamers want that aren’t available for the Wii?

A gamer doesn’t have to care about graphics to be interested in 6 player split-screen Mario Kart; they don’t have to care about the processing power that makes the new features in their favourite games possible; they don't have to care that advanced hardware was required to implement the new user-interface that they're excited about; and a gamer doesn’t need to care about anything beyond the fact that the new "Wii Fit" (or whatever) is entirely exclusive to Nintendo’s new system.

Or to put it another way, just because Sony and Microsoft have been unable to draw these gamers interest with how they use advanced processing power doesn’t mean that Nintendo can’t.

YOu may have gamed for longer, but I started on the SNES so I know what I'm on about in terms of games of the past, present and tech of the future.

You can still praise Killzone 2 for having good graphics, great level design, very well balanced multiplayer etc, but it has unresponsive controls which can cause the difference between life and death in the game. One flaw doesn't make the game instantly suck, but it is a hinderance to its overall quality.

If lag of 165ms is unnoticable, then why do some game servers kick you if your ping is as low as 130 ms??

And anyway you are digressing - the lag (which if you google I'm not the only one to notice) is hardly the only weak point of the wii. It has awful graphics, awful hardware (limiting game size, AI etc) meaning the wii is only good for certian games. Why you want to buy another Nintendo console if you are content with just the wii? Clearly you don't care about hardcore games as you do not find graphics or more essentially high quality AI a needed part in a game.

Yeah if Nintendo offer a different gaming experience, far enough, but by 'gaming' on the wii they show they are not bothered about a high quality gaming experience, and therefore wont look into buying a console for another game. They bought the wii because the motion control looked fun, not that "Holy ****, they have a new Super Marios Brothers/Smash/Mario Karts out!", but "Hey, the motion pad looks fun".They are not going to by a new console if it offers the same experience as a different game, better graphics would still offer the same: "Hey, the motion pad looks fun, but I've already got one, no need for another", unlike a gamer who thinks "Wow, those graphics are ace! The gameplay is so much better! That AI is outstanding!".

Here's a question for you, would you rather play a fun game in a genre that interests you with Wii level graphics or a boring game in a genre that disinterest you with PS3 graphics? Does this mean you don't care about high quality experiences, or that the higher quality experience (in your opinion) is the game with worse graphics? Does this mean that you wouldn’t upgrade your hardware if it meant that the games you’re interested in had better visuals?

This is what you don't seem to get, buying the Wii doesn't represent a rejection of advanced graphics as much as it represents an embracing of accessible game-play.

I would just like to make a note that both Microsoft and Sony are putting millions of dollars and much of the future of their consoles onto trying to get the Wii audience to "upgrade" to HD consoles. the Natal and move will both be marketed as being superior to the Wii just look at the Keven Butler move ad and the types of games that have been shown so far. So both Microsoft and Sony think they can get Wii owners to jump ship for better specs, so why wouldn't you think that the Wii 2 or whatever with brand name and sequels to games they already know and the possibility of even higher specs will be more likely to get Wii users to upgrade?

Oh and the fact that a lot of the Wii userbase chose the Wii over the PS360 doesn't mean they will not be interested in a technically superior Wii with whatever new thing Nintendo brings to the table. Mainly as a lot of these people were not interested in any consoles before this generation or left gaming in their teens etc during NES/SNES days and even earlier, or they weren't even old enough before this generation. There is also the chance to bring new people into gaming and/or bring more core gamers over to the Nintendo camp the truth is that we don't know what kind of console it will be or how Nintendo will market it. The specs and marketing of the 3DS will give us an idea of what they might go with the Wii 2 but even then we still won't know for sure.

actually, many people are doing just that. women bought the wii just for wii fit. tons of people bought the wii just for mario kart. lapsed gamers are buying the wii just for new super mario bros wii. i know several people that plan on buying a wii just for monster hunter tri.

and that is what i mean. people will buy a new console if it has exclusives they want that aren't on other consoles. i agree with happysquerral on this, where he brings up that people just care about the games, not the tech behind those games that made them possible.

oh if you want a 2.5D platformer Mazty maybe you should try Super Paper Mario lol
oh and you still haven't replied to my post, come on it's not that hard to pick holes in what I said.

lol.  Yes, even that Sumo made Mario Kart clone is more hardcore than Guitar Hero.  And it's "know", not "no".  As in, you clearly know **** all about everything to do with english.

Anyway, you're stalling and diverting.  Once more, a legitimate source on this 180ms claim?  Put up or shut up, we're all waiting...

I do care about hardcore games but thats not the only thing I care about.

Somewhere here is a thread with a study that 75% of wii owners are former ps2 owners and that to me proves what i told you earlier in this thread wich you choose to dismiss.

Wii owners do care about graphics but not at the expense of gameplay or too big leaps, if all gamers cared only about the graphical leaps then PS2 wouldnt have won last gen they would have gone Gamecube or even more so Xbox evne if the graphicl leap wasnt as big as it is this time it still was more then twice as powerful then the ps2.

Most console gamers care about graphical leaps but as history has shown time and time again if the graphical leap is too big the console will probably loose wich means they care about graphical leaps up too a point it also shows that whats more important is gameplay innovations and games wich is why Wii is winninig. It did a big enough graphical leap but did heaps of leaps in gameplay and it has the games (mainly Nintendo ones) so conlclusion gameplay inovations + Nintendo games coupled with 2x the graphical leap from last gen was the sweet spot.

If Nintendo can find that sweetspot for next gen they will follow and it will be easier for them to do so since alot of theese gamers will follow the net iteration of the games they loved this gen.

Still waiting for you to post the 180 ms lag wich you continue to talk about.