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Will the PS3 be able to outsell the Wii in Japan any week this year?

Yes, in more weeks than last year. 706 54.43%
 
Yes, same amount of weeks than last year. 76 5.86%
 
Yes, but less weeks than last year. 161 12.41%
 
Yes, only once. 29 2.24%
 
No, lol? 137 10.56%
 
I like turtles. 188 14.49%
 
Total:1,297
darthdevidem01 said:
SaviorX said:
Shame; Wii got the shaft.
I have the feeling though that some time soon such neglect will return to bite people in the ass.

No matter though; smaller teams will make way for next gen. It is only a matter of time. You wonder though why Japan bitches sometimes about gaming dying, yet they won't support the console that most people in their country want.

The only reason this 'core/un-comatose' audience they praise is on the PS3 or 360 is because they have thrown literally hundreds of those titles their way, and gave the Wii about 3 dozen. If the Wii got at least 25% more from the get-go they wouldn't be in such dire straits for a global audience.

on the other hand if PS3 got all those JRPG's/Ace Combat 6 from the get go it would have been much stronger too. PS3 missed out on boosts from fanbase for the new Tales of a gen, new Star Ocean of a gen, new Ace Combat of a gen. Not to mention the Sakaguchi games.

But Companies put them on 360 as they thought they could penetrate the Western Market by being on 360 only (Ps3 was doing less than GBA monthly in NA then).....but now FF13 doubled 360 versions sales in NA showing which console had the affinity for JRPG sales. Its been a whole round of bad decisions but things have improved greatly now with Xenoblade & The Last Story announcements!

The PS3 would have gotten a few brief sales spikes from those titles, but still the PS3 price would ruin things. I agree though, making those 360 exclusive was extremely stupid. Moneyhatting has destroyed A LOT of things as a result.

As for Xenoblade & The Last Story, TLS will be better lol



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jarrod said:

Just for fun, I decided to round up the all upcoming Japanese developed games with actual dates for the consoles...

 

Wii

  • 05.20.10 Japan Winning Eleven Playmaker 2010: Aoki Samurai no Chousen (Konami)
  • 05.27.10 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Nintendo)
  • 06.10.10 Karaoke Joysound Wii: Duet Kyokuhen (Hudson)
  • 06.10.10 Karaoke Joysound Wii: Enka Kayoukyouku Hen (Hudson) 
  • 06.10.10 Xenoblade (Nintendo) 
  • 06.17.10 HOSPITAL. 6-nin no Ishi (Atlus)
  • 06.17.10 Kaseki Monster: Spectrobes (Disney Interactive Studios)
  • 06.24.10 SD Gundam: Gashapon Wars (Bandai) 
  • 06.24.10 Twinkle Queen (Milestone) 
  • 07.22.10 Kage no Tou (Hudson) 
  • 07.29.10 Sengoku Basara 3 (Capcom)

 

PlayStation 3

  • 05.20.10 Lost Planet 2 (Capcom)
  • 05.20.10 World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010: Aoki Samurai no Chousen (Konami)
  • 06.17.10 Clash of the Titans (Namco)
  • 06.17.10 Hakuouki: Junsouroku Idea Factory)
  • 06.24.10 Totori no Atelier: Arland no Renkinjutsushi 2 (Gust) 
  • 06.24.10 White Album: Tsuzurareru Fuyu no Omoide (Aqua Plus) 
  • 07.01.10 BlazBlue: Continuum Shift (Arc System Works) 
  • 07.15.10 Ken to Mahou to Gakuen Mono. 2G (Acquire)
  • 07.29.10 Chou Jigen Game: Neptune (Idea Factory) 
  • 07.29.10 Sengoku Basara 3 (Capcom)

 

Xbox 360

  • 05.20.10 Lost Planet 2 (Capcom)
  • 05.20.10 Senko no Ronde Duo (G.Rev) 
  • 05.27.10 DeathSmiles IIX (Cave) 
  • 06.03.10 W.L.O. Sekai Renai Kikousen (5pb.games) 
  • 06.17.10 Clash of the Titans (Namco)
  • 06.24.10 Monster Hunter Frontier Online (Capcom) 
  • 06.24.10 Sengoku Hime 2 (SystemSoft)
  • 07.01.10 Japan BlazBlue: Continuum Shift (Arc System Works) 
  • 07.29.10 Agarest Senki Zero (Idea Factory)
  • 07.29.10 Memories Off: Yubikiri no Kioku (5pb.games)
  • 07.29.10 Strike Witches: Shirogane no Tsubasa (Cyberfront)

 

 

...actually, it's kinda sad all around.  Consoles are dying in Japan. :/

Meanwhile, here's handhelds in the same period with the same considerations (JP made, firm date)...

 

Nintendo DS

  • 05.13.10 Trick DS-han: Kakushi Kami no Sumukan (Konami)
  • 05.20.10 Captain Tsubasa: Gekitou no Kiseki (Konami)
  • 05.20.10 Minna de Dokusho DS Naruhodo! Tanoshii Seikatsu no Urawaza Inwaza (Dorart)
  • 05.27.10 Dakkoshite! Chimpanzee (Starfish SD)
  • 05.27.10 G.G Series Collection Plus (Genterprise)
  • 05.27.10 Kunio-Kun no Chou Nekketsu! Soccer League Plus World Hyper Cup Hen (Arc System Works)
  • 05.27.10 Medarot DS: Kabuto Version (Rocket Company)
  • 05.27.10 Medarot DS: Kuwagata Version (Rocket Company)
  • 05.27.10 Mommy Talk DS (Intelligent Design)
  • 05.27.10 Sekai no Hate Made Itte Q! Chinjuu Hunter Mono no Daibouken (Kamui)
  • 05.27.10 Soccer Tsuku DS: World Challenge 2010 (Sega)
  • 05.27.10 Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Masou Kishin: The Lord of Elemental (Bandai)
  • 05.27.10 Yumeiro Patisserie: My Sweets Cooking (Konami)
  • 06.03.10 Hisshou Pachinko: Pachi-Slot Kouryaku Series DS Vol. 5: Shinseiki Evangelion: Tamashii no Kiseki (D3 Publisher)
  • 06.03.10 Kaidan Restaurant: Ura Menu 100-Sen (Bandai) 
  • 06.10.10 Ippan Zaidan Houjin: Nippon Kanji Shuujukudo Kentei Kikou Kounen: Tsuutenkaku DS (NowPro)
  • 06.10.10 Maru Goukaku Shikaku Dasshu! Gyouseishoshi Shiken (Media5)
  • 06.10.10 RockMan Zero Collection (Capcom)
  • 06.17.10 Ao-Don DS: Hanabi no Goku & Hanabi no Takumi (Commseed)
  • 06.17.10 Kochira Katsushikaku Kameari Kouenmae Hashutsujo: Machiteba Tengoku! Makereba Jigoku! Ryoutsuryuu Ikkakusenkin Dais akusen! (Bandai)
  • 06.17.10 Roller Angels: Pasha to Daisakusen (Starfish SD)
  • 06.17.10 Tamagotchi no Pichi Pichi Omisecchi (Bandai)
  • 06.24.10 Ghost Trick (Capcom)
  • 06.24.10 Love Plus + (Konami) 
  • 06.24.10 Maru Goukaku Shikaku Dasshu! Financial Planning Ginou Kentei Shiken 2-Kyuu 3-Kyuu (Media5)
  • 06.24.10 Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side 3rd Story (Konami)
  • 07.01.10 Digimon Story: Lost Evolution (Bandai)
  • 07.01.10 Inazuma Eleven 3: Sekai e no Chousen!! Bomber (Level-5)
  • 07.01.10 Inazuma Eleven 3: Sekai e no Chousen!! Spark (Level-5)
  • 07.01.10 Taiko no Tatsujin DS: Dororon! Youkai Daikessen!! (Namco)
  • 07.08.10 Bokujou Monogatari: Futago no Mura (Marvelous) 
  • 07.15.10 Japan Keshisasu-Kun: Battle Kas-tival (Koei)
  • 07.15.10 Metal Fight Beyblade: Bakugami Susanoh Shuurai! (Hudson)
  • 07.22.10 Fairy Tale (Konami)
  • 07.29.10 Nintama Rantarou: Gakunen Taikousen Puzzle! no Dan (Russel) 
  • 07.29.10 Suki Desu Suzuki-kun!! 4-nin no Suzuki-kun (Idea Factory) 
  • 07.29.10 Wizardry: Boukyaku no Isan (Genterprise) 
  • 08.07.10 Monster Rancher 2 (Tecmo)

 

PSP

  • 05.13.10 Hakuouki: Yuugi Roku (Idea Factory) 
  • 05.13.10 Pachinka Mania P: CR Tekken Tafu (Dorart)
  • 05.20.10 B's-Log Party (Idea Factory)
  • 05.20.10 Ginsei Igo Portable (SilverStar)
  • 05.20.10 Hagane no Renkinjutsushi: Fullmetal Alchemist: Yakusoku no Hi e (Bandai)
  • 05.20.10 Motto Nuga-Cel! (Idea Factory) 
  • 05.20.10 Otometeki Koi Kakumei: Love Revo! Portable (Idea Factory) 
  • 05.20.10 World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010: Aoki Samurai no Chousen (Konami)
  • 05.27.10 Blaze Union: Story to Reach the Future (Atlus)
  • 05.27.10 Daisenryaku Perfect: Senjou no Hasha 
  • 05.27.10 Fight Ippatsu! Juden-Chan!! CC (Russel) 
  • 05.27.10 Secret Game Portable (Yeti) 
  • 05.27.10 So-Ra-No-Wo-To: Otome no Gojuusou (Idea Factory) 
  • 06.03.10 Clannad: Mitsumi Mamoru Sakamichi de: Joukan (Prototype)
  • 06.03.10 Fairy Tail: Portable Guild (Konami)
  • 06.03.10 Hisshou Pachinko: Pachi-Slot Kouryaku Series Portable Vol. 1: Shinseiki Evangelion: Tamashii no Kiseki (D3 Publisher)
  • 06.10.10 Wand of Fortune Portable (Idea Factory) 
  • 06.24.10 Boku no Natsuyasumi Portable 2: Nazo Nazo Shimai to Chinbotsusen no Himitsu (Sony Computer Entertainment)
  • 06.24.10 Chaos;Head Noah (5pb.games)
  • 06.24.10 Clannad: Mitsumi Mamoru Sakamichi de: Gekan (Prototype)
  • 06.24.10 D.C. Girl's Symphony Pocket (Idea Factory) 
  • 06.24.10 Hana to Otome ni Shukufuku o: Harekaze no Okurimono (Alchemist)
  • 06.24.10 Narcissus: Moshimo Ashita ga Runara (Kadowkawa Games) 
  • 06.24.10 R.U.R.U.R.: Petit Prince (Views)
  • 06.24.10 Shin Koihime Musou: Otome Ryouran: Sangokushi Engi: Wu-Hen (Yeti) 
  • 06.24.10 Starry Sky: In Spring - PSP Edition (Asgard) 
  • 06.24.10 The King of Fighters Portable 94-98: Chapter of Orochi (SNK Playmore)
  • 06.24.10 Tinkle: Crusaders GoGo! (ASCII Media Works)
  • 06.24.10 Uta no: Prince-Sama (Broccoli) 
  • 07.01.10 Hanayaka Kana, Ware ga Ichizoku (Idea Factory) 
  • 07.08.10 The Conveni Portable (Hamster)
  • 07.15.10 Busou Shinki: Battle Masters (Konami)
  • 07.15.10 Hello Kitty to Issho! Block Crash 123!! (Dorart)
  • 07.15.10 Last Ranker (Capcom)
  • 07.15.10 Naruto Shippuden: Kizuna Drive (Bandai)
  • 07.22.10 Ace Combat X2: Joint Assault (Namco)
  • 07.22.10 Fate/Extra (Marvelous) 
  • 07.22.10 Nisenochigiri (Idea Factory) 
  • 07.29.10 GA: Geijutsuka Art Design Class: Slapstick Wonder Land (Russel) 
  • 07.29.10 Hatsune Miku: Project Diva 2nd (Sega) 
  • 07.29.10 Koisuru Otome to Shugo no Tate Portable (Alchemist) 
  • 07.29.10 Ys vs. Sora no Kiseki: Alternative Saga (Falcom) 
  • 08.05.10 Corpse Party: Blood Covered: Repeated Fear (5bp.games)
  • 09.30.10 Starry Sky: In Summer: PSP Edition (Asgard) 
  • 12.22.10 Starry Sky: In Autumn: PSP Edition (Asgard)
  • 03.24.11 Starry Sky: In Winter: PSP Edition (Asgard)
when i was looking at consoles i thought look how many games but when i looked to DS and PSP WTF

 



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Millennium said:
Three more weeks this year, surrounding the release of Move. No other time.


add the release of WKC2 and maybe versus 13



darthdevidem01 said:
SaviorX said:
Shame; Wii got the shaft.
I have the feeling though that some time soon such neglect will return to bite people in the ass.

No matter though; smaller teams will make way for next gen. It is only a matter of time. You wonder though why Japan bitches sometimes about gaming dying, yet they won't support the console that most people in their country want.

The only reason this 'core/un-comatose' audience they praise is on the PS3 or 360 is because they have thrown literally hundreds of those titles their way, and gave the Wii about 3 dozen. If the Wii got at least 25% more from the get-go they wouldn't be in such dire straits for a global audience.

on the other hand if PS3 got all those JRPG's/Ace Combat 6 from the get go it would have been much stronger too. PS3 missed out on boosts from fanbase for the new Tales of a gen, new Star Ocean of a gen, new Ace Combat of a gen. Not to mention the Sakaguchi games.

But Companies put them on 360 as they thought they could penetrate the Western Market by being on 360 only (Ps3 was doing less than GBA monthly in NA then).....but now FF13 doubled 360 versions sales in NA showing which console had the affinity for JRPG sales. Its been a whole round of bad decisions but things have improved greatly now with Xenoblade & The Last Story announcements!

I think timing had a lot to do with that, most of the 360 timed exclusives started development way back in 2005/2006, and I suspect the Japanese companies always planned it to be more of a "warm up" before shifting to PS3 anyway.  Microsoft obviously sweetened the deal in some cases too, with funding, bundles, promotions, co-publishing, etc.  And really, it wasn't a total backfire... games like Dead Rising, Lost Planet and Ace Combat 6 sold amazingly as 360 exclusives or timed exclusives.  And others still did decently, like The Last Remnant, Tales of Vesperia (outsold every PS1/PS2 Tales in America btw) or The Idolm@ster.

Still, priorities were backwards all around.  It should've been Wii support first, then PS3, then 360.  What we got is sort of the reverse. And now 3rd parties find themselves in the situation of developing for HD consoles with dramatically higher expenses and significantly lower returns than PS2, or a deflated/dismissive Wii audience who's been burned by and holds some animosity/indifference against almost everyone but Nintendo.  It's really a crapshoot at this point, which is probably in part why everyone's decided to refocus on handhelds instead and wait things out for next gen. :/



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jarrod said:
darthdevidem01 said:
SaviorX said:
Shame; Wii got the shaft.
I have the feeling though that some time soon such neglect will return to bite people in the ass.

No matter though; smaller teams will make way for next gen. It is only a matter of time. You wonder though why Japan bitches sometimes about gaming dying, yet they won't support the console that most people in their country want.

The only reason this 'core/un-comatose' audience they praise is on the PS3 or 360 is because they have thrown literally hundreds of those titles their way, and gave the Wii about 3 dozen. If the Wii got at least 25% more from the get-go they wouldn't be in such dire straits for a global audience.

on the other hand if PS3 got all those JRPG's/Ace Combat 6 from the get go it would have been much stronger too. PS3 missed out on boosts from fanbase for the new Tales of a gen, new Star Ocean of a gen, new Ace Combat of a gen. Not to mention the Sakaguchi games.

But Companies put them on 360 as they thought they could penetrate the Western Market by being on 360 only (Ps3 was doing less than GBA monthly in NA then).....but now FF13 doubled 360 versions sales in NA showing which console had the affinity for JRPG sales. Its been a whole round of bad decisions but things have improved greatly now with Xenoblade & The Last Story announcements!

I think timing had a lot to do with that, most of the 360 timed exclusives started development way back in 2005/2006, and I suspect the Japanese companies always planned it to be more of a "warm up" before shifting to PS3 anyway.  Microsoft obviously sweetened the deal in some cases too, with funding, bundles, promotions, co-publishing, etc.  And really, it wasn't a total backfire... games like Dead Rising, Lost Planet and Ace Combat 6 sold amazingly as 360 exclusives or timed exclusives.  And others still did decently, like The Last Remnant, Tales of Vesperia (outsold every PS1/PS2 Tales in America btw) or The Idolm@ster.

Still, priorities were backwards all around.  It should've been Wii support first, then PS3, then 360.  What we got is sort of the reverse. And now 3rd parties find themselves in the situation of developing for HD consoles with dramatically higher expenses and significantly lower returns than PS2, or a deflated/dismissive Wii audience who's been burned by and holds some animosity/indifference against almost everyone but Nintendo.  It's really a crapshoot at this point, which is probably in part why everyone's decided to refocus on handhelds instead and wait things out for next gen. :/

Your second paragraph seems to summarise what went wrong on the console front in Japan pretty well, you should make a thread with that paragraph in it....it can lead to interesting discussions.

@Saviorx

ofcourse it will be.....I see xenoblade doing around 400K tops in Japan.



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Guesses for the week?

I have updated the OP with new releases. Looks like Powerful Pro Baseball 2010 will be switching platforms this year. Going to the PS3 and leaving the Wii.



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trestres said:
Guesses for the week?

I have updated the OP with new releases. Looks like Powerful Pro Baseball 2010 will be switching platforms this year. Going to the PS3 and leaving the Wii.

It's also leaving PS2 for PSP (previously PSP only got a subseries, like GB/DS).  Weird decision imo, the Wii ports always actually did fairly well (80k+) considering they launched alongside PS2 originals.  Of course Konami's always handicapped their Wii sports titles like that, if they'd made PowerPro lead on Wii (like they did PES on PS360), it'd probably be doing 200k+ with each iteration.

 

edit: Wii vs PS3 (and each vs PS2) baseball sales the past few years (Media Create)... looks like PowaPuro's been declining in general, while Spirits just rebounded this year after an even steeper decline...

 

  • [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 14 (2007) 277,440
  • [Wii] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Wii (2007) 123,387
  • [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 14 Kettiban (2007) 98,202
  • [Wii] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Wii Kettiban (2007) 47,411
  • [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 (2008) 213,634
  • [Wii] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 (2008) 93,393
  • [PS2] MLB Power Pros 2009 (2009) 84,847
  • [Wii] MLB Power Pros 2009 (2009) 46,503
  • [PS2] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2010 (2009) 170,542
  • [Wii] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Next (2009) 82,302

 

 

  • [PS2] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 4 (2007) 177,899 
  • [PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 4 (2007) 64,700
  • [PS2] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 (2008) 65,132 
  • [PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 (2008) 44,264
  • [PS2] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 Kettiban (2008) 43,284
  • [PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 Kettiban (2008) 27,348 
  • [PS2] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 6 (2009) 133,559
  • [PS3] Pro Yakyuu Spirits 6 (2009) 147,015


PS3 wins the battle this week, 2k over the Wii, and it's the 7th in a row.

So far this year, PS3 has won 8 weeks and Wii has also won 8 weeks.

Any guesses for next week? Neither platform is getting any new game.



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My pick is PS3 until SMG2 (at least) by a short margin.



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