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As many of you know, I'm the guy who praises HEAVY RAIN. However, do any of you TRULY know why, probably not. There is something that I have studied now for the last 3 years very closely, it is known as: The Uncanny Valley.

Now you might be asking yourselves, why do I care about this subject so much. Well, I'll explain. This realm that you venture into known within the "Valley" is often looked at as the point where robots, or nowadays, CGI (Computer Generated Image), look so realistic that they "almost" look or act indistinguishable from real life, there's just one problem: they're not quite there. This point is known as "The Uncanny Valley"!!! But to better explain this, I would like you to take a look at this article:

The Uncanny Valley

Why are monster-movie zombies so horrifying
and talking animals so fascinating?

Written and illustrated by Dave Bryant
Japanese roboticist Doctor Masahiro Mori is not exactly a household name—but, for the speculative fiction community at least, he could prove to be an important one. The reason why can be summed up in a simple, strangely elegant phrase that translates into English as “the uncanny valley”.
Though originally intended to provide an insight into human psychological reaction to robotic design, the concept expressed by this phrase is equally applicable to interactions with nearly any nonhuman entity. Stated simply, the idea is that if one were to plot emotional response against similarity to human appearance and movement, the curve is not a sure, steady upward trend. Instead, there is a peak shortly before one reaches a completely human “look” . . . but then a deep chasm plunges below neutrality into a strongly negative response before rebounding to a second peak where resemblance to humanity is complete.

This chasm—the uncanny valley of Doctor Mori’s thesis—represents the point at which a person observing the creature or object in question sees something that is nearly human, but just enough off-kilter to seem eerie or disquieting. The first peak, moreover, is where that same individual would see something that is human enough to arouse some empathy, yet at the same time is clearly enough not human to avoid the sense of wrongness. The slope leading up to this first peak is a province of relative emotional detachment—affection, perhaps, but rarely more than that.
The figure to the right diagrams this curve of emotional response, plotting it (from top to bottom) first against how closely an entity’s motion resembles human movement, then against physical resemblance to human appearance, and last against a synthesis of the two. It is significant to note, judging from the relative depth of the curves, that Dr. Mori apparently considers motion more important than simple appearance, though he stresses that both are affected at least as much by subtle nuances as by more striking factors.
The conclusion drawn by the good doctor is that designers of robots or prosthetics should not strive overly hard to duplicate human appearance, lest some seemingly minor flaw drop the hapless android or cyborg into the uncanny valley—a fate to be dreaded by all concerned. He maintains instead that a prosthesis or a robot should be visibly artificial, but smart and stylish in appearance, placing it somewhere near the top of the first peak. This ethos, incidentally, can be seen clearly in a great many science fiction and fantasy manga and animé stories.
The same factors that inspired Doctor Mori to research and describe the uncanny valley and the rest of the curve to which it belongs are of immediate concern to any creator of fantasy or science fiction. Aside from the readily apparent potential for careful tailoring of a character’s or species’ “look and feel” to evoke a specific reaction from the audience, there are some perhaps surprising possibilities and consequences.

http://www.arclight.net/~pdb/nonfiction/uncanny-valley.html

Now, there's more on the subject if you follow that link.

Basically, I've been so drawn into this world that I really couldn't wait to explore it outside of watching movies on the big screen. Video Games this generation, I knew would approach this very subject, but there was one that TRULY caught my eye:
Basically, after watching, what was then known in 2006 as: "The Casting" tech demo for HEAVY RAIN, I was locked onto this subject, even deeper, from then on. It's not just that HEAVY RAIN was "looking" so good, but moved very realistically as well. However, it was still not quite there and was also thrown into the "The Uncanny Valley". I figured it would improve, so I continued to study the title until it's "true" unveiling in August of 2008.

But since this isn't a thread about HEAVY RAIN, I won't drag that out.
I really hope you guys enjoy learning more about this subject and follow that link, for those who weren't aware of what it was. It's been my pleasure to TRULY introduce you to my world of studying the Uncanny Valley. This is something that I'm not too sure if the games we play will surpass anytime soon, nope, not even HEAVY RAIN. But with technology changing ever faster by the minute, I suspect we aren't too far of from finally surpassing.....*Bukimi No Tani*  aka  "The Uncanny Valley". I will now end my thread off by showing you a pic of a CGI woman, who looks to already be helping to cross the valley....enjoy:

One last thing, if you REALLY wanna see somethin cool.....follow this link........

http://cubo.cc/

Just move your mouse around, it's really freaky, but cool!!!


Please comment below and tell me your thoughts....thanks for listening everyone!!! Have a nice day!!!



                                                                                                             

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TURN THE HEAVY RAIN HYPE LEVEL TO MAXIMUM !!!!!
Heavy Rain will be epic !



MetalGearSolid_4ever said:
TURN THE HEAVY RAIN HYPE LEVEL TO MAXIMUM !!!!!
Heavy Rain will be epic !

AAAhhh, but that's just it, this really isn't a HEAVY RAIN thread, so to speak. I wanted VG Chartz to TRULY understand The Uncanny Valley, and of course, to know why they call me CGI-Quality

 



                                                                                                             

ok....so let me try and paraphrase. This is saying that we shouldn't try to make everything as real as possible because the slightest unrealistic flaw takes us out of the realistic mindset, but instead we should create somthing obviously fake,but emtionally and intelligently real????



Good read.

Games are getting more and more realistic, and that second CGI image looks actually real... thats pretty scary.



                            

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Xxain said:
ok....so let me try and paraphrase. This is saying that we shouldn't try to make everything as real as possible because the slightest unrealistic flaw takes us out of the realistic mindset, but instead we should create somthing obviously fake,but emtionally and intelligently real????

Think of it this way: our brains are so smart that we can pick an unrealistic element in an instant. If we want to escape the "Valley", things must iron out into the realm of being indistinguishable from real life.

 

Btw, you guys, check out that last link and wait for the CGI woman to load in. Then, move your mouse around, watch how she reacts, it's soooooo cool!!!

 



                                                                                                             

Lol...That was just a fanboy attempt at FANBOYISM.
I'll actually start reading that now. :D



MetalGearSolid_4ever said:
Lol...That was just a fanboy attempt at FANBOYISM.
I'll actually start reading that now. :D

Thanks, I appreciate it

 



                                                                                                             

The CGI woman thing was cool



So its your view of side of things ? Does this mean that zombies won't look scary if i looked at them with a different perspective ? Wow..I never thought of it that way. If my see a zombie i can see something is horribly wrong with it, but if you change it slightly , we can see something good ?

I really shouldn't be thinking too much.