You don't even understand what the debate is about. I have made it clear its about the quality of the awards not the quantity. I can easily rip out random GOTY awards. I will link accouple for you below.

^Moving Goal Posts. No where is this a comparison between the two, its about the quality of the awards, not awards giving out from random sites that hold little to no weight. Ill link you acouple Xbox titles that won GOTY awards from some sites.

A quick google search and bam! results.

Gears 5

https://www.gamesradar.com/au/gears-5-xbox-game-golden-joystick-2019/ < Who cares

Forza Horizon 4

https://stevivor.com/features/in-depth/stevivors-xbox-one-goty-2018-forza-horizon-4/ < Who cares

Do you guys actually care about random awards giving out to any game? It will also make no difference either if Forza Horizon 4 won 60 GOTY awards from no names. Its the major and industry driven and recognisable awards that hold more weight. A game winning GOTY at the Game Awards or at IGN holds more weight than 20 GOTYs from Randoms like Stevivors.

OverWatch did this in its release year not UC4. UC4 won more awards from god knows who, compared to Over Watch who won the major awards from the major outlets. 

Now I couldn't care any less for GOTY but to say UC4 and Death Stranding are GOTYs is no different to me saying Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 are as well, because they have also won GOTY. If you are a follower of Stevivors than you will not care about the other awards in the world.

Its the quality of the awards that means most, not the quantity of the awards. That's my opinion and you both can disagree all you want. The gaming industry is a bias place and MS, Sony and Nintendo can easily pay tribute to publishers for a helping hand in giving these awards out, its why I clearly stay away from unknown and random or simple unrecognisable awards and reviews.

Yes no one would ever be able to detect the distortion you made to try and put down Sony titles.

You are the only one trying to push the narrative that 1 or 2 GOTY awards for a title would make it a GOTY be it from a specific outlet or not. The point the person made was a game that got most GOTY and you tried to deflect by selecting what should be accepted or not.

And even like that you wouldn't be able to put a list of several exclusives with big GOTY count, while Sony have had that for almost every year this gen.

I am not saying a game that wins 1 GOTY is GOTY, I am saying that the quality of the GOTY awards is what matters more.

A game that wins 10 GOTYs from the 10 biggest gaming sites to a game that won 50 GOTY awards from unknown, unpopular or unrealistic sites don't compare. In my book the game that won 10 of the bigger GOTY awards would be GOTY, weather you agree or not that is my opinion. You can claim the game that received a bunch of fluff GOTY awards if you like, that's entirely up to you. 

Also stop trying to turn this into a brand comparison. I am stating that OverWatch won the major GOTY awards, the ones that mattered, UC4 I don't even know what it won, all I know is when it comes to the bigger gaming sites it didn't beat OverWatch. If you want to grasp at straws and say UC4 is the GOTY than you might as well agree that Death Stranding is GOTY too, even though it was beaten by many other titles on the major sites as well.

I pointed out that the industry is a mess with GOTY awards and they are giving out everywhere, not just to 1 or 2 titles. I brought up 2 Xbox games that won GOTY awards just like how the other guy stated Death Stranding won GOTY awards. If you want to cling to games that win awards than cling to ALL the games that win awards or don't cling at all.

Désolé Fred/TruckOSaurus... Mais ça doit être dit d’une façon où d’une autre.

Calice que t’es un tabarnak de cave! What makes a random group of people voting for one given game of the year above another random group of people voting for whatever else game of the year? Their budget? Credential? What credential? Have you ever read anything other than what’s mainstream in the US? Have you ever used your brain to think for yourself or are you fine regurgitating what the mass media tells you, without ever trying to dig deeper into what goes on behind the decisions to choose a game of the year over all other choices available. You discount everything that isn’t written by the English gaming press as if anyone from a different background holds no credibility. Because, hey, they don’t have an award show?

Most game of the year awards for most if not all publications are chosen by a panel no more or no less credible or knowledgeable than the TGA show.

But because the TGA is a popular show, you dismiss everything else and choose it as gospel? You are basically admitting to being nothing more than a brainless automate by regurgitating this kind of argument. Shallow, petty, biased, and an automate? *Slow claps*

Good job, you’ve evolved heaps since the day you signed on here.

I have no idea what you just said, and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

"We are beating Sony by about 8 million units!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2008

"It isn't about console sales, it's about software sales! That's not our strategy anymore!" - Phil Spencer Circa 2016

"It isn't about software sales, it's about concurrent peak players." - Phil Spencer Circa 2019

"PS Fans are moving the goalpost!" - Azzanation 2020.

:D :D :D

Seems like you missed the several threads were he tried to prove that Xbox1 was more profitable than PS4 through MAU (that was slightly higher than Sony PS+ at that moment). Ignored HW sales, SW sales, Gold vs PS+ subs, and picked two different metrics to come to as always a wrong conclusion.

You found one lmao

Meanwhile Sony,

Death Stranding - 80

GoW - 198

UC4 - 165

Your opinion is irrelevant. We are talking about the games that have the most GOTY awards, it's a simple numbers game. 

Erm.. doesn't matter of the subject, moving goalposts is moving goalposts. And ill call it out everytime.

I think its funny how right you just proven me. Iv been saying for years it isnt about console sales for Xbox and here you just showed that the CEO of Xbox just proved my point. Thanks.

How long ago was that? Curious question.

Also please link me the thread where i stated Xbox is making more money than PS4.. dont stress, i am not going anywhere.

No, i was always talking about the quality of the awards. You can bring up the qauntity all you want, that does not change my post. 

I proved i can find games that win random GOTY awards, awards that no one cares about. There are probably 20 GOTY awards that matter, the rest of the 200 awards given out, no one gives a shit.

But you won't call it out when Phil does it?

It is about console sales for Xbox. Console sales determines which company makes the most money in the long run. Phil wants to claim otherwise, but the math disagrees with him. He's just a PR spin machine. If XB1 had actually managed to beat PS4 in console sales, he'd be singing an entirely different tune.