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The_Liquid_Laser said:
BraLoD said:

Don't worry, PS5 won't struggle.

They are setting the PS5 up to be like the PS3, a powerful machine facing tough competition.  It would be insane to expect different results when they are doing the same things all over again.

Except they aren't. Strange reading of the current situation imo



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Geralt99 said:

I have been thinking about this for a while now.

A PS4 handheld (PS4 GO?) with similar specs to a standard PS4 that plays games at 720p priced at $299.

It does everything a normal PS4 does only at lower resolution.

I believe it could be a strong contender for the switch, especially in Japan. 

If you already own a PS4, would you get the PS4 GO?

The PS4 has about 1.8 TFlops. The only commercial APUs that came out with that sort of power are the top of the line AMD APUs from last and this year. Those are specced at 35W, however, they can't hold their turbo for that performance. Still, might be enough for the proposed 720p.

But 35W is way too much for a handheld. You can cut a bit by replacing the CPU with a Jaguar like in the PS4, but even then, the graphical prowess needs more power than can adequately be provided by a handheld device.

Let's look forther than the Vegas in the current APUs and what Navi brought us. With these chips and a jaguar CPU I believe it might be possible to bring the consumption down to about 15-20W just for a chip with similar performance. That's fine in a laptop, even for an ultrathin, but still too much for any handheld.

Long story short, a PS4 Go like you.re proposing would only get really technically viable by the time the Switch is way past it's prime already. It might be more interesting to have such a powerful handheld by the time it's successor comes out, as before that, it's just too powerful, and thus power-hungry, to be viable in a handheld format.



Conina said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Nope. I could wait for a PS5 Hybrid, anyhow, while GPU isn't a problem, graphics can scale down when undocked, to get the necessary CPU power on a mobile chip at a low enough power consumption Sony will have to wait at least for a mature enough Zen 3 tech, if not even later.

And until then the PS6 is already rumored/announced and you'll wait for the PS6 Hybrid revision?

I can't say, but PS5 would be the first to possibly have a hybrid version planned, even to release later, but not an afterthought, so it could be the first PS to be in condition to fully benefit from the concept. Waiting later wouldn't depend on the hybrid version, but on time and money available and the general wish to get again a console to play on besides PC and tablet. Unless I get again into Ninty stuff since DKjr and the first Super Mario Bros times, a non-Nintendo hybrid could increase my appeal for a console. But I could also prefer a PC-based hybrid, I really don't know, there are so many factors. I can only say for sure that a portable or hybrid PS4 would arrive too late compared to its platform, PS5 will be the first with the possibility of having a hybrid version planned in time, this makes its possible hybrid version the first with increased possibilities to attract me.

haxxiy said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Nope. I could wait for a PS5 Hybrid, anyhow, while GPU isn't a problem, graphics can scale down when undocked, to get the necessary CPU power on a mobile chip at a low enough power consumption Sony will have to wait at least for a mature enough Zen 3 tech, if not even later.

You have it the other way around. The Jaguar CPUs could easily fit into a tablet or even a portable... they were actually designed for it. But the GPU, even if we are talking about playing the same games at a lower resolution (which would demand they are all individually patched) and using AMD's newer architectures and manufacturing processes, this is some 15 - 20 Watts here (being very optimistic here). That's the GPU alone, and twice as much as the power consumption of an average tablet SoC. Not feasible unless you want batteries lasting less than an hour of gameplay, and possibily overheating hardware.

The Jaguar could easily fit now, some years later. Settling on a custom Zen 2 for PS5 base model, Zen 3 or later will allow the same, hopefully not too late, if the original custom Zen 2 isn't too powerful. But for the GPU things changed on many fronts: current gen consoles, plus slow PC HW market (PC games are thriving because PCs last long and so the install base, already large, is growing anyway, but PC HW market isn't thriving at all) kept minimum specs stable at a very reasonable level for a long time, and now Switch too arrived, so any games able to scale down to undocked NS GPU power, won't have any problem to scale down to a far more powerful undocked hybrid PS5 GPU, while most games that won't be able to scale down to undocked NS, will probably be able to do it to undocked PS5, maybe with some tweaks. A stable minimum reference HW power on both x86 consoles and PC actually changed the game, and even more did it the fact that on the small screen of a portable, time has come when further increases in GPU power give less and less noticeable improvements, compared with current portable GPUs, a next gen portable, or undocked hybrid could need just a little better FX and higher framerate, totally feasible at a nice price and low power consumption if a hybrid will have to wait for portable Zen 3 or later CPU anyway.
Most probably the GPU power difference between docked and undocked will be large enough that either the hybrid will need to switch between two different GPUs or the docked hybrid will have a GPU power quite higher than undocked, but anyway noticeably lower than the home-only version.
Anyhow, we talk about a very wide range of GPU scalability, so a hybrid version must be planned in time if they want it to be viable and not a blood bath.



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Conina said:
Shiken said:

They get destroyed everytime they try to do anything portable in terms of gaming and left their most recent one to die...so no. Better off focusing on the PS5.

How often did Sony try to do anything portable in terms of gaming?

The PSP sold over 80 million units (probably more than the 3DS-family will reach). I wouldn't call that "destroyed".

So their only dud was the Vita or did I forget something?

The PSP went up against the DS...which sold over 150 mil, destroying the PSP.  While the PSP was not a failure outright, it paled in comparison in terms of popularity and sales to what it was actually going up against.

The VITA went up against the 3DS...which was also destroyed by Nintendo.  It was cute how you tried to compare two different generations to downplay though.

All in all, Sony just does not have the audience to compete in portable gaming.  That is why Nintendo made a Hybrid, because portable gaming was their most dominant market.  However given how Sony has always focused on power, even a Hybrid would irritate a lot of their fans if it became the main focus, regardless of the fact that there would be some who would appreciate it.  They are in an entirely different position than Nintendo was, as Nintendo never focused on power to begin with.



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Shiken said:
Conina said:

How often did Sony try to do anything portable in terms of gaming?

The PSP sold over 80 million units (probably more than the 3DS-family will reach). I wouldn't call that "destroyed".

So their only dud was the Vita or did I forget something?

The PSP went up against the DS...which sold over 150 mil, destroying the PSP.  While the PSP was not a failure outright, it paled in comparison in terms of popularity and sales to what it was actually going up against.

A 65:35 ratio ain't "destroying", please stop overexaggerating!

The PSP with over 80 million units wasn't "destroyed", the Xbox 360 with over 80 million units wasn't "destroyed" and the PS3 with over 80 million units wasn't "destroyed"... they just weren't first place.



Conina said:
Shiken said:

The PSP went up against the DS...which sold over 150 mil, destroying the PSP.  While the PSP was not a failure outright, it paled in comparison in terms of popularity and sales to what it was actually going up against.

A 65:35 ratio ain't "destroying", please stop overexaggerating!

Good, that means the PS4 is not destroying the X1 either.  That does not stop some from trying to claim so though.



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Shiken said:
Conina said:

A 65:35 ratio ain't "destroying", please stop overexaggerating!

Good, that means the PS4 is not destroying the X1 either.  That does not stop some from trying to claim so though.

Exactly, the Xbox One ain't "destroyed" either. It is even quite profitable for Microsoft.



A PS4 Potable, the thread title says? So what, you water it daily to unlock?

(Well someone had to say it.)



Jaicee said:

A PS4 Potable, the thread title says? So what, you water it daily to unlock?

(Well someone had to say it.)

50% of the thread is about a potable PS4