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What Happened to Retro's Other Project(s)?

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I think we all understand the basic situation, but in brief, Retro's last game was 5 years ago.  Presumably, they haven't spent the whole last half decade performing epic staring contests and sharpening their practical joke skills.  They've got to work on something new.  Metroid Prime 4 went to another developer because, presumably, Retro was busy on something else or just wasn't interested.  Fast forward 18 months later and Retro still hasn't released a game, but are suddenly able to take up their biggest challenge in over a decade.  What does this mean?

To add on top of it, there have been rumors of a Star Fox racing game, rumors of development difficulty and possibly cancelled original IPs, and rumors of employee disenchantment and a leadership vacuum.  Again, though, it's hard to square Retro being a studio in chaos and unable to produce anything with Nintendo trusting them with Metroid Prime.  The weird thing though, is that this is precisely the story of how the first Metroid Prime game was created back in 2002.  I believe three games were cancelled and a large amount of the staff dismissed because of production difficulties and everything was put into Metroid Prime.  If anyone was following games back then, you'll know how incredulous we all were about this failing studio who couldn't do anything being able to pull off a Metroid game, and in 1st person perspective no less.  I have no difficulty admitting, I was among those scoffing.

The thing is, though, Tropical Freeze was an exceptionally polished game (and probably the game whose reputation has benefited most from a Switch port).  Granted it was a 2D platformer, but the studio still had its fastball for putting out quality not long ago.

The first possible explanation would probably be the happiest.  Retro's finishing up work on their latest game and we're just waiting for the big reveal and release sometime this year.

Another possibility is that they are continuing to work on whatever game(s) are in the pipeline and shifting talent around.

The final possibility is that Retro has wasted the last five years, had their project cancelled by Nintendo, and are being given one last chance with Metroid Prime 4.

Or they could be working on multiple projects and it can be any combination of the three.  In either case, what are your thoughts?

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I believe they had something canceled. Then they were working on Star Fox racing. I think Star Fox racing is either basically done, or is being heavily outsources right now (kind of like how Xenoblade 2 was largely outsourced). Either one works great, but I don't think there other project is canceled. I also don't think Nintendo would announce this unless retro was ready to get in full production of this game (the only way I can see them announcing this before it was in full production is that Nintendo knew it got leaked to the media and were trying to beat the bad press. Especially the click bait articles that website would certainly use.). It would be bad to start the fans hope before you were ready to deliver in like 3 years.



     

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I think the game must be finished or split into two teams, I can't see Nintendo giving Metroid Prime to Retro if they've spent the last 5 years making a game and having the project canned with nothing to show for it, given their reasons for the restart of Prime 4.



I really don't get why people are so hyped for Retro Studios on MP4. They've literally done nothing but Donkey Kong games and all their ''secret'' projects never have come to fruition. They've literally done nothing. Also count the fact that nearly all the developers that worked on Prime arent' even at Retro anymore.

I think all their secret projects either

1. Never existed
2. Exist but are now on hiatus due to MP4 work
3. Canned now that they're working on MP4



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I do think they did both. Cancelled one of their projects while finishing the Star Fox Racing game (or whatever it could be)



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PwerlvlAmy said:
I really don't get why people are so hyped for Retro Studios on MP4. They've literally done nothing but Donkey Kong games and all their ''secret'' projects never have come to fruition. They've literally done nothing. Also count the fact that nearly all the developers that worked on Prime arent' even at Retro anymore.

I think all their secret projects either

1. Never existed
2. Exist but are now on hiatus due to MP4 work
3. Canned now that they're working on MP4

I can get the hype this time around simply because the recent news suggest that Nintendo is pretty serious about making Metroid great again.

What I couldn't agree with was the ridiculous hype levels around the announcement teaser at E3. People masturbated all over the place for a mere logo as they ignored Nintendo's concerning outsourcing. As a massive Super Metroid fan who's looking to return to the series, it kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.

Logos don't make great games... developers do. Without a mindblowing gameplay teaser or at least knowing who the developer is, I can't get excited... certainly not in the context of outsourced Metroid games.



I can only guess what Retro has been working on for the last 5 years. I remember pondering this exact question back in 2015 hoping that Nintendo would give a Metroid Prime reveal back then with Retro's name attached. All that was being talked about back then were rumors that Retro was working on a Diddy Kong Racing sequel which I am glad turned out to be unsubstantiated seeing as how most of the characters from the first DKR are now IP owned by Microsoft. Honestly, does anybody have hard evidence that Retro has been working on a Star Fox racing game? It sounds to me like an even more B-rated title than DKR. If Nintendo wanted a sci-fi racer then why not have Retro work on an F-Zero game? After the lackluster effort that was Star Fox Zero, I have zero interest in seeing a spin-off for that franchise right now and I kind of doubt that Nintendo would endorse such a project.

If the Star Fox racer is just another rumor without a lot of credibility I would probably just disregard it. It seems way more likely to me that Retro has simply been working as an 
adjunct developing house for Nintendo's various major AAA titles like BotW and Mario Universe for that past couple of years. We know that Monolith was helping out with BotW and so it seems likely to me that Retro probably also got pulled off whatever projects they were working on to help make sure that the Switch launch was as seamless as possible. Nintendo needed the Switch to be an absolute hit and we knew how hard of a time they were having developing games in HD on the Wii U. I absolutely believe that Nintendo threw everything they had at making 2017 a blockbuster year and probably used every studio at their disposal for tasks like porting Wii U titles and doing odds and ends for the big AAA titles. None of this stuff would have necessarily been credited to Retro Studios either. Now that the Switch is finally a surefire a success, Retro can get back to working on something that they can own and put their name on. At least that is my personal best guess.

What I know for certain is this: Nintendo finally is showing evidence that they have learned from the Federation Force and Other M disasters and now know that they either need to make a high-quality AAA Metroid Prime game or just not touch the franchise anymore. Fans of Metroid see their franchise as being the sci-fi version of Zelda and unless Nintendo can deliver a Metroid Prime game that hits in the same ballpark as BotW then whatever comes out will be a disappointment and will just do more harm to the franchise. At least that is what I gathered from this address. Overall, I have a good feeling about the direction of MP4 even though it means a longer wait.



What I think happened: whatever they were working on, which might have been more than just one project, was scrapped and now they're doing Prime 4 only.

What I wish happened: Star Fox Grand Prix is real and still coming out this year, after which they'll put the whole team on Prime 4 duty.



PwerlvlAmy said:
I really don't get why people are so hyped for Retro Studios on MP4.

Maybe because every game they've made is amazing?

Kyuu said:

I can get the hype this time around simply because the recent news suggest that Nintendo is pretty serious about making Metroid great again.

What I couldn't agree with was the ridiculous hype levels around the announcement teaser at E3. People masturbated all over the place for a mere logo as they ignored Nintendo's concerning outsourcing. As a massive Super Metroid fan who's looking to return to the series, it kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.

Logos don't make great games... developers do. Without a mindblowing gameplay teaser or at least knowing who the developer is, I can't get excited... certainly not in the context of outsourced Metroid games.

You gotta be quite disconnected from reality if you can't understand why people were hyped. It had been 10 years since the last proper Metroid Prime game, which was also considered the last good Metroid game by most people. Since, the series had a franchise killer in 2010, followed up by an embarassing spin-off after a 6-year hiatus. The entire future of the Metroid franchise was in doubt, and a lot of people had lost hope that the series would ever be what it once was. Sure, slapping a "4" on the Metroid Prime logo doesn't guarantee that it would be any better than the recent games, but it was a huge announcement as a sequel to a widely beloved series that had been long dormant, and kinda showed that Nintendo still had big plans for Metroid even if we couldn't know how good those plans would be.



mZuzek said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
I really don't get why people are so hyped for Retro Studios on MP4.

Maybe because every game they've made is amazing?

Kyuu said:

I can get the hype this time around simply because the recent news suggest that Nintendo is pretty serious about making Metroid great again.

What I couldn't agree with was the ridiculous hype levels around the announcement teaser at E3. People masturbated all over the place for a mere logo as they ignored Nintendo's concerning outsourcing. As a massive Super Metroid fan who's looking to return to the series, it kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.

Logos don't make great games... developers do. Without a mindblowing gameplay teaser or at least knowing who the developer is, I can't get excited... certainly not in the context of outsourced Metroid games.

You gotta be quite disconnected from reality if you can't understand why people were hyped. It had been 10 years since the last proper Metroid Prime game, which was also considered the last good Metroid game by most people. Since, the series had a franchise killer in 2010, followed up by an embarassing spin-off after a 6-year hiatus. The entire future of the Metroid franchise was in doubt, and a lot of people had lost hope that the series would ever be what it once was. Sure, slapping a "4" on the Metroid Prime logo doesn't guarantee that it would be any better than the recent games, but it was a huge announcement as a sequel to a widely beloved series that had been long dormant, and kinda showed that Nintendo still had big plans for Metroid even if we couldn't know how good those plans would be.

All the current team has even done is  DK lately. The current Retro, having done nothing since Tropical Freeze have not proved they're capable of handling a Metroid type of project. Retro has been absent like the last 5 years, I don't see the hype in a team thats missing most of the original prime members,trying to make a Prime game. 



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