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What Happened to Retro's Other Project(s)?

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Peh said:

Exactly my point. 

I assume that Nintendo went to Bandai Namco, because Retro was during a crucial development time of their project and couldn't focus on MP4. 

That's my assumption too - Retro were simply too busy in early/mid 2017 to take on Metroid Prime 4, so Kensuke Tanabe assembled the 'new team' with Namco Bandai. My optimistic guess is in 2017 Retro dropped whatever project wasn't working and began to concentrate on Star Fox Grand Prix. We're not going to know for sure until there's a reveal, though. Shinya Takahashi's statement supports this kind of thinking, too. It's going to be a long time before we receive a Metroid Prime 4 update, which suggests that development is likely only in pre-production.



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So, here is my hypothesis: After finishing Tropical Freeze, Retro went on to their next project. What that project is, we don't know. Maybe it was Starfox Grand Prix, maybe another Metroid Prime for Wii U, maybe something else entirely. After a while it became clear to Nintendo that Retro was suffering from bad management: The development went nowhere and the studio was burning through its financial resources - this is why we didn't hear from Retro for a long time. So at some point Nintendo decided to cancel Retro's game and, looking at the mess that the studio was, to give them an easier project to keep them afloat financially. This project was Tropical Freeze Switch which was released in early 2018.

There have also been rumours about Prime Trilogy Switch being basically finished and that it was supposed to be shown off last year. I suspect Nintendo let Retro do the Trilogy port: The original games were developed by Retro and it would be another easy project for them, bolstering their resources. I'll assume the rumours about Trilogy Switch being (near) finished are true and Nintendo was pleased with the result.

Then, sometimes late last year, they decided to scrap Prime 4 development as that project (developed by Bandai Namco) didn't go anywhere. Looking at Retro's good work with the ports, Nintendo decided to put the energy into restructuring / re-energising Retro. They pushed Prime Trilogy back to later in 2019 (as it wouldn't be able to function as a Prime 4 hype machine anymore) and gave Retro Prime 4 as they are the only available developer Nintendo now trusts to develop that game.

Long story short, I think Retro's "other projects" were a cancelled game, followed by Tropical Freeze Switch and Prime Trilogy Switch, as well as a period of reconstruction to get rid of the bad management at the developer and potentially to hire better stuff. I don't think there is a big new Retro game just waiting to be released. I could be wrong of course!



Going by rumours Prime 4 was being developed in an odd way where it's not one studio working the game but a few working on different aspects as a test by Nintendo to see if such a development process would yield desired results seems not, it's claimed Retro submitted a demo pitch of some project which is what made Nintendo bring them on board. Due to all the hiring at Retro and the unorthodox nature of the past few years transitioning from WiiU to NS I think they had a project they were working on which at the time was rumoured to be of sci-fi nature and it got delayed moving everything over to NS and the mass recruitment and it's possible this project may have become the pitch for Prime 4.



Peh said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

My argument is very much in tact. I'll stand by the words I've repeated over and over. When they prove they're capable, I'll jump on the bandwagon with everyone else. Until then, I can't blindly praise them for something they haven't proven they're capable of just yet. Simple as that.  I look at in multiple ways, just because you have an ''all star team'' doesn't mean the end product you're wanting to achieve will be what you want to. Take baseball,fan of it or not, take the Yankees as an example, they tried to buy up all the best players in the game in order to achieve a championship. What happened though, all that star studded team didn't win jack or achieve a championship they wanted. That's all I'm saying about Retro, they are not a bad studio, hell DKC games they've been have been good, hard for someone to deny that. I just do not see anything in these games that show me they should be put on a pedestal just yet. That's why myself,personally, am waiting to see what they achieve for MP4 before I can truly say ''Shit, looks like I was wrong'' or vice versa and say ''damn guess I was right''. Till then its merely an unpopular opinion

One of your arguments is that the Retro Studio lost most of it's staff that worked on the previous games  and that's why it's bad they got the project. 

We are now aware of who is probably still working of the team at RS. And now you changed your argument to "An all star team doesn't warrant a product that one wants". I refer "all star team" to the old staff.

So, here is my question: What do you want?

Both options seem to be out of place for you, be it either the lack of known staff members or that the staff members who are still there. You have to pick one. Because you defend the position that every studio who did or did not not work on MP is not qualified enough to work on PM4. Please make up your mind.

And regarding the hype about Retro Studio doing the job. From all I can see, I am glad they are doing it, since the put a lot of care into their projects. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, even if it being a pseudo 2D jump & run game, has shown not only precise gameplay mechanics and well thought out design, but the visuals in that game are pretty outstanding for what could be achieved on that console. They could have gone the minimalistic Mario Bros route and call it a day. But they didn't. So far, they gain my praise until the've shown to the public they are unable to. 

 

And all your argument is build on the ignorance at what RS actually did the past years. Since, you know, claimed that they've done nothing without providing verifiable evidence for your case but the only one that is not sharing any news to the public about what is going on at RS.

You can keep calling me ignorant or calling my way of thinking ''ignorance'' all you want. I'm the only one on here giving my opinion and how I think without having to try to get personal with people, so I suggest simmering down please. Its easy to have an agreement with people without trying to take it personal.  Everything I've stated, I'm standing by until MP4's release. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but just accept that thats my point of view, as I've done with yours and havent went personal on you or told you not to think the way you are thinking. For the most part your rebuttals are good and its good reading what you and others have to say in response,good conversation, but trying to take it personal, pump the breaks on that.



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mZuzek said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You can keep calling me ignorant or calling my way of thinking ''ignorance'' all you want. I'm the only one on here giving my opinion and how I think without having to try to get personal with people, so I suggest simmering down please.

How interesting that people are only getting personal with you specifically. Huh, I wonder why.

Maybe because she was the first person in this thread that dared to say what needed to be said and has therefore become the continuous target. i think it's cool that Retro has people that are so passionate about their work, but sadly some of us have just become disillusioned by them



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PwerlvlAmy said:
Peh said:

One of your arguments is that the Retro Studio lost most of it's staff that worked on the previous games  and that's why it's bad they got the project. 

We are now aware of who is probably still working of the team at RS. And now you changed your argument to "An all star team doesn't warrant a product that one wants". I refer "all star team" to the old staff.

So, here is my question: What do you want?

Both options seem to be out of place for you, be it either the lack of known staff members or that the staff members who are still there. You have to pick one. Because you defend the position that every studio who did or did not not work on MP is not qualified enough to work on PM4. Please make up your mind.

And regarding the hype about Retro Studio doing the job. From all I can see, I am glad they are doing it, since the put a lot of care into their projects. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, even if it being a pseudo 2D jump & run game, has shown not only precise gameplay mechanics and well thought out design, but the visuals in that game are pretty outstanding for what could be achieved on that console. They could have gone the minimalistic Mario Bros route and call it a day. But they didn't. So far, they gain my praise until the've shown to the public they are unable to. 

 

And all your argument is build on the ignorance at what RS actually did the past years. Since, you know, claimed that they've done nothing without providing verifiable evidence for your case but the only one that is not sharing any news to the public about what is going on at RS.

You can keep calling me ignorant or calling my way of thinking ''ignorance'' all you want. I'm the only one on here giving my opinion and how I think without having to try to get personal with people, so I suggest simmering down please. Its easy to have an agreement with people without trying to take it personal.  Everything I've stated, I'm standing by until MP4's release. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but just accept that thats my point of view, as I've done with yours and havent went personal on you or told you not to think the way you are thinking. For the most part your rebuttals are good and its good reading what you and others have to say in response,good conversation, but trying to take it personal, pump the breaks on that.

I'm not making it personal. I'm just attacking your argument, and that's what a debate is all about. Personal attacks would be an ad hominem. I'm not interested in those. 

But here is the thing and you don't seem to be aware of that. I respect the opinion of others even if I don't agree with them, but your post which I've quoted first is not an opinion. What you did was stating your opinion as a fact and that's wrong. 

"They've literally done nothing but Donkey Kong games and all their ''secret'' projects never have come to fruition. They've literally done nothing. Also count the fact that nearly all the developers that worked on Prime arent' even at Retro anymore. "

You made a claim. 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/claim

And I've been calling you out on it, since a claim requires evidence or an argument that is not falling into the category of a fallacy. But your argument is made from ignorance, since, as I already stated, we don't know what RS was doing the past years. You made a claim by saying "they did literally nothing", and you need to provide evidence for this. 

Saying now that your claim is just an opinion gives me the understanding that you really don't understand the meaning of these words. 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fact

Please don't mix those up. 

And again, I am not personally attacking you. But to avoid further confusion of what you think you want to say and what you are actually saying can make a huge difference which doesn't end in your favor. Take this as a good advice.   



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This thread has been so fun to read after a long weekend away from the site. So much info and opinions and just all around rambunctiousness. Man...it's going to be a very long three years as we debate so many of these ideas, and as always we'll be always wondering if this E3 is when we will see something from Retro. One thing is certain, Retro Studios will likely go down as one of the most well known and dicussed developers of all time. The next 3-4 years will cement that reputation. Now it's just a matter of seeing whether they are remembered for epic greatness or a terrible fall from grace.



Peh said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You can keep calling me ignorant or calling my way of thinking ''ignorance'' all you want. I'm the only one on here giving my opinion and how I think without having to try to get personal with people, so I suggest simmering down please. Its easy to have an agreement with people without trying to take it personal.  Everything I've stated, I'm standing by until MP4's release. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but just accept that thats my point of view, as I've done with yours and havent went personal on you or told you not to think the way you are thinking. For the most part your rebuttals are good and its good reading what you and others have to say in response,good conversation, but trying to take it personal, pump the breaks on that.

I'm not making it personal. I'm just attacking your argument, and that's what a debate is all about. Personal attacks would be an ad hominem. I'm not interested in those. 

But here is the thing and you don't seem to be aware of that. I respect the opinion of others even if I don't agree with them, but your post which I've quoted first is not an opinion. What you did was stating your opinion as a fact and that's wrong. 

"They've literally done nothing but Donkey Kong games and all their ''secret'' projects never have come to fruition. They've literally done nothing. Also count the fact that nearly all the developers that worked on Prime arent' even at Retro anymore. "

You made a claim. 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/claim

And I've been calling you out on it, since a claim requires evidence or an argument that is not falling into the category of a fallacy. But your argument is made from ignorance, since, as I already stated, we don't know what RS was doing the past years. You made a claim by saying "they did literally nothing", and you need to provide evidence for this. 

Saying now that your claim is just an opinion gives me the understanding that you really don't understand the meaning of these words. 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fact

Please don't mix those up. 

And again, I am not personally attacking you. But to avoid further confusion of what you think you want to say and what you are actually saying can make a huge difference which doesn't end in your favor. Take this as a good advice.   

I've backed up everything I've said. Even when provided with counter arguments from others, I've backed up what I have said(IE: Sports/Yankees comparison). I made a claim, people offered a rebuttal and I responded back. I fail to see the issue here. ''Take this as good advice'', Advice for what? were Just people having a conversation going back and forth on disagreements and agreements,thus is what makes good forum conversation. It seems I have gone off the grain like Melbye said and stated something unpopular to the masses, that may well be true, but that doesn't give me any less right than you to express it. 

 

I'm more than willing to discuss agreements and diagreements with all of you who disagree with me, I've made that abundantly clear many times, so if you wish to continue this conversation without getting heated,I'm glad to continue so we can get a better understanding of where each other are truly coming from.  If not then we should both move on to greener pastures and stop muddling up peoples conversations they wish to have with our back and forths. 



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mZuzek said:
melbye said:

Maybe because she was the first person in this thread that dared to say what needed to be said and has therefore become the continuous target. i think it's cool that Retro has people that are so passionate about their work, but sadly some of us have just become disillusioned by them

Or maybe is it because she's being incredibly stubborn and incapable of understanding the flaws in her arguments, treating everyone else's arguments as garbage and hers as the truth..?

Nope that can't be it. I've never told anyone here they can't have their own argument and have actually welcomed continued discussion on the matter. Read previous statements I've made. When did having a different view and expressing a different view from the masses suddenly become ''everyone elses arguments is garbage''. If anything, aren't people taking that stance against my views currently,in which I haven't been anywhere near hostile with? 



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