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RaptorChrist said:
That's pretty incredible, considering the Switch version of Dead Cells is actually $5 more expensive (for the physical version; haven't checked digital) than the PS4 version. It doesn't come as a surprise that the Switch version is performing better, but I would not have guessed a 4:1 ratio; that's nuts.

Yea it's crazy when you also consider install base. PS4 has a 4:1 ration in that. So lets use some BS sales numbers of Dead Cells sold.

Switch: 400k
PS4: 100K

Put that up against install base and you have

Switch: 400,000/20,000,000 = 2% of Switch owners purchased the game

PS4: 100,000/80,000,000 = 0.125% of PS4 owners purchased the game

 

The attach rate on the Switch is 16x higher than on the PS4.



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These comparisons don't really make sense in today's landscape. EA doesn't come out and say 'Fifa 2018 sold 15x more on PS4 than switch', it's irrelevant due to the circumstances as to why a Fifa game would sell on the Switch than on PS4. The same goes for Dead Cells, a 2018 indie game is going to have different exposure between the systems and since a large majority of PS4 owners already own a Switch (70% according to NPD for the US), double dipping wouldn't make sense.



adisababa said:

Not like the Switch userbase has many games to choose from this year. I don't know it's almost crazy to think that the PS4 has a lot more high profile games this year than the Switch, I mean Dead Cells released just a few weeks after God of War.

I don't know how and why this warrants a thread, would the PS4 userbase be more likely to buy God of War and Far Cry 5? or would they want a 2D platformer indie game? Hint: it's not the indie game.

The Switch has no games this year, that's a fact. All they have going for them is Smash to finish of the year and to hide themselves from having nothing to show their consumer base, otherwise, it's been a drought.

 

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0D0 said:
adisababa said:

Not like the Switch userbase has many games to choose from this year. I don't know it's almost crazy to think that the PS4 has a lot more high profile games this year than the Switch, I mean Dead Cells released just a few weeks after God of War.

I don't know how and why this warrants a thread, would the PS4 userbase be more likely to buy God of War and Far Cry 5? or would they want a 2D platformer indie game? Hint: it's not the indie game.

The Switch has no games this year, that's a fact. All they have going for them is Smash to finish of the year and to hide themselves from having nothing to show their consumer base, otherwise, it's been a drought.

 

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PS: Sorry if it's against the rules asking that, but when I don't get why someone was warned/banned I don't learn anything about what I should avoid to do here.

It appears to me as though he was trolling. His last paragraph serves no purpose to the discussion and the only reason he said that was to upset people. It's a little embarrassing.

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0D0 said:
adisababa said:

Not like the Switch userbase has many games to choose from this year. I don't know it's almost crazy to think that the PS4 has a lot more high profile games this year than the Switch, I mean Dead Cells released just a few weeks after God of War.

I don't know how and why this warrants a thread, would the PS4 userbase be more likely to buy God of War and Far Cry 5? or would they want a 2D platformer indie game? Hint: it's not the indie game.

The Switch has no games this year, that's a fact. All they have going for them is Smash to finish of the year and to hide themselves from having nothing to show their consumer base, otherwise, it's been a drought.

 

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PS: Sorry if it's against the rules asking that, but when I don't get why someone was warned/banned I don't learn anything about what I should avoid to do here.

If I had to guess, it's because it comes off as an attempt at damage controlling the news on this thread by boosting up the PS4 (pointing out their games coming out) while shitting on the Switch (saying the Switch has no games this year), which is the type of thing that instigates petty console war arguments.  It seems that when fans of other platforms see news like this, they get shaken up based on how they typically pile on these threads and try to play things down.

What Sony fans have to understand is that when a lot of Nintendo fans see this thread, even though the devs were comparing sales to the PS4 version, we're (at least I am) looking at it through the perspective that a non-casual 3rd party game is doing well on the Switch.  Why that matters is that for decades, Nintendo fans have always been told that 3rd parties don't sell well on the Switch and that the only games that sell well are exclusives, casual games, shovelware and baby games.  So when a 3rd party multiplat that appeals to core gamers sells well, regardless of whether they're indies or AAA titles, it gives a sense of positivity that things are going in the right direction for the Switch.

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HintHRO said:
Jranation said:

It doesnt work like that. If they are hungry for games. They can buy the other 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party games. 

This is a matter of competition. Dead Cells on PS4 suffers from heavy competition. You won't even see it in the PS Store. Dead Cells on Switch is only one of the few games that shines on the console right now. 

Its obvious that in the Ps4, there is more competition, but in this particular set of time (august 3), the only competition is Madden 19 which launch 3 days after. from that ,sure you have Guacamelee! 2, Yakuza and DOSII for example but they launched at the end of the month. I Think you are underestimating the switch,  maybe owners of both ps4 and switch would rather play the game on the switch.

 

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wombat123 said:
0D0 said:

I wonder why adisababa has been warned. Is there anything offensive on that post that I'm missing?

PS: Sorry if it's against the rules asking that, but when I don't get why someone was warned/banned I don't learn anything about what I should avoid to do here.

If I had to guess, it's because it comes off as an attempt at damage controlling the news on this thread by boosting up the PS4 (pointing out their games coming out) while shitting on the Switch (saying the Switch has no games this year), which is the type of thing that instigates petty console war arguments.  It seems that when fans of other platforms see news like this, they get shaken up based on how they typically pile on these threads and try to play things down.

What Sony fans have to understand is that when a lot of Nintendo fans see this thread, even though the devs were comparing sales to the PS4 version, we're (at least I am) looking at it through the perspective that a non-casual 3rd party game is doing well on the Switch.  Why that matters is that for decades, Nintendo fans have always been told that 3rd parties don't sell well on the Switch and that the only games that sell well are exclusives, casual games, shovelware and baby games.  So when a 3rd party multiplat that appeals to core gamers sells well, regardless of whether they're indies or AAA titles, it gives a sense of positivity that things are going in the right direction for the Switch.

Damage controlling? There's no reason to buy Dead Cells on PS4 when there are high profile games coming out in the same window. I was merely saying what I think is the reason for this 4 to 1 ratio of sales. The Switch has had a games drought this year and this is why they are hungry for any game that releases for the Switch, there are not many other choices. Like it'd be a totally different story if say Mario Tennis or Smash released within a few weeks of Dead Cells, I highly doubt the game's sales would have been as high it is. 

Plus Dead Cells or indies, in general, are basically asking for funerals when released on console. There are very few indie games that escape this plight. Also, I have an Xbox and a Switch. You could call me an Xbox fan. MK8 is all I played and will probably ever play on the Switch. 



adisababa said:
wombat123 said:

If I had to guess, it's because it comes off as an attempt at damage controlling the news on this thread by boosting up the PS4 (pointing out their games coming out) while shitting on the Switch (saying the Switch has no games this year), which is the type of thing that instigates petty console war arguments.  It seems that when fans of other platforms see news like this, they get shaken up based on how they typically pile on these threads and try to play things down.

What Sony fans have to understand is that when a lot of Nintendo fans see this thread, even though the devs were comparing sales to the PS4 version, we're (at least I am) looking at it through the perspective that a non-casual 3rd party game is doing well on the Switch.  Why that matters is that for decades, Nintendo fans have always been told that 3rd parties don't sell well on the Switch and that the only games that sell well are exclusives, casual games, shovelware and baby games.  So when a 3rd party multiplat that appeals to core gamers sells well, regardless of whether they're indies or AAA titles, it gives a sense of positivity that things are going in the right direction for the Switch.

Damage controlling? There's no reason to buy Dead Cells on PS4 when there are high profile games coming out in the same window. I was merely saying what I think is the reason for this 4 to 1 ratio of sales. The Switch has had a games drought this year and this is why they are hungry for any game that releases for the Switch, there are not many other choices. Like it'd be a totally different story if say Mario Tennis or Smash released within a few weeks of Dead Cells, I highly doubt the game's sales would have been as high it is. 

Plus Dead Cells or indies, in general, are basically asking for funerals when released on console. There are very few indie games that escape this plight. Also, I have an Xbox and a Switch. You could call me an Xbox fan. MK8 is all I played and will probably ever play on the Switch. 

What games? God of war launched in April and Far Cry 5 in late March



Train wreck said:
These comparisons don't really make sense in today's landscape. EA doesn't come out and say 'Fifa 2018 sold 15x more on PS4 than switch', it's irrelevant due to the circumstances as to why a Fifa game would sell on the Switch than on PS4. The same goes for Dead Cells, a 2018 indie game is going to have different exposure between the systems and since a large majority of PS4 owners already own a Switch (70% according to NPD for the US), double dipping wouldn't make sense.

Do you not find it interesting that say... If every single person who owned a ps4 also owned a switch (which obviously isn't the case as there are far more PS4 systems sold) but even in a land where everyone owned both systems, isn't it an interesting statistic that gamers would rather put down the ds4 and extra horsepower in the PS4 and instead buy the title on switch instead.

 

Just at people pushing a narrative that there's no reason to choose a game on switch over the same title on PS4 this should be pretty telling that that isn't the case in the real world.

 

Also the "Nintendo switch gamers just buy any title cos of a drought" 2 things about this. 1, the switch currently has close to 1100 games on it, machine is out for around 600 days, math will tell you about the drought I hope. And 2, if a majority of the switch users had a PS4 as well.... They could just put down the switch and buy a title like spider Man this month, that is of course, if 80% of them have not put down the ds4 to enjoy the amazing dead cells on the switch.



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HintHRO said:
Jranation said:

It doesnt work like that. If they are hungry for games. They can buy the other 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party games. 

This is a matter of competition. Dead Cells on PS4 suffers from heavy competition. You won't even see it in the PS Store. Dead Cells on Switch is only one of the few games that shines on the console right now. 

Yes. That is also another reason why it sold more than the PS4. But in your original comment, it sound like Switch users will BUY ANYTHING on the eshop. Since as you said "they are hungry for big games". But we know that is not the case. 



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