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HebrewGamer said:

You're clearly angry(hence the huge meatwad of text post), and your information is incorrect.

PS2 had the market to themselves for two console generations as Nintendo and Sega's offerings tanked and Xbox has never been competitive outside of the 360. Not so for the Switch who had to overcome the PS4, PS5, Xbox X/S, Steamdeck and similar handheld copycats, Mobile gaming, Piracy(specifically targeting Nintendo games), a chip shortage, and the WiiU failure.

How can you say the pandemic sped up sales when none of these systems were available during that period? Make it make sense. 

The inflation argument is weak and in this case is just wrong. People today are broke because of the high cost of living and don't have nearly as much disposable income as back then as the dollar is rubbish now. 

You're comparing Nintendo selling a nerfed iteration of the Switch which takes away it's home console function to the fully furnished PS2 being half off in year 4. Apples to cheeseburgers(they did the same for the PS1). You also conveniently leave out how the OLED raised the price by $50 and how it's the best selling iteration of the Switch. 

The Switch has already equaled the PS2s lifetime software sales number of 1.2 billion and has probably surpassed it as Nintendo reports actual sales and not shipments like the PS2.

Facts are always relevant my guy.

BTW, the PS5 is the PS2 being sold in the modern day. All Sony has done since the beginning is give you the same gamebox with better graphics and more functions.

There is no reason for me to be angry. At what exactly ? I am simply telling you that giving reasons for some success doesn't neglect it (I like to write big posts and I do that often, I am not angry) . The PS2 is the best selling console of all time, no matter what reason you can say. This is fact. Which is more successful of the two and especially profits, can't be measured since there are two completely different times and eras. I don't know why you include PS1 too. We are strictly talking PS2 here, and Switch. And no my information is not wrong. Also what is the meaning of "PS2 had the market to themselves for two console generations as Nintendo and Sega's offerings tanked and Xbox has never been competitive outside of the 360" ? The fact that PS2 lasted 2 full generations does not mean it had them for themselves. They just beat the other consoles to the punch in it's generation, however the 7th gen, PS3, 360 and Wii and DS, were selling very good and no PS2 didn't have that gen for it self, there were 5 other consoles selling at this timeframe (2006-2013). First of all there were competitors, the fact they didn't perform better is maybe because PS2 was more successful than them. Just like Switch is more successful than other consoles selling at the same time. Also you can't compare Switch with xbox and PS, because they are pure home consoles and target different groups. Switch didn't had any direct competitors. The last one being the Vita was a 3DS competitor, not Switch. Steamdeck came 4 years or so after the Switch launched, and you can't really call that direct competition. Mobile gaming has been available since 2009 or even before that and didn't stopped the DS, the PSP or the 3DS. So with the same reasoning didn't stop the Switch either. It's not even a factor. All of those are just excuses. And you can excuse the situation with inflation how much you want, but the fact of the matter is people buy consoles just as much as before you can clearly see it, PS and XBOX sold more in this 4 years timeframe than PS2 and XBOX did till 2004, and Switch sales are even better than the previous handhelds and the Gameboy too. With even doing stronger peak years than PS2 too. So no the inflation doesn't stop people from buying consoles. And no I am in no way comparing Switch selling cheaper Lite variant to PS2. All I am saying is that this is a version of a pricecut. So don't tell it has never receiver a price cut. I don't leave the OLED out. In fact this is also one more reason why Switch is at 140M, because the model boosted some millions more because there are many owners of the original model that bought the OLED model which is actually increasing sales, by one person at least two times. The Switch is still far from total software sales of the PS2 since those are 1537M which is about 300 more than the Switch. So don't rush the things and get ahead of yourself. You as might tell Switch already passed 160M Lifetime won't you ? Facts are relevant but you neglating the success of one console, and praising other is irrelevant .. As I already said, there is no matter what and how. The success is success. And at this time Switch is still under PS2 and under the DS. So don't get ahead of yourself. And again there are reasons for every success, no matter how you rotate it, the facts are facts. PS2 is the most successful console to date. That is measured by both hardware and software sales. When Switch passes them both, then go ahead, name it the best. As of this moment is not the best. Also other thing is that I give those examples (there may be more too but I don't want to go deeper) just to show you that for every console can be given some reasons why it's successful. However I am not neglecting Switch success, with them or without them it is still a success. But you do neglect the PS2 success, like it's some mediocre 80M sales console, and it just went on to sell more because luck, exact timing and dvd and pricecuts. There is no matter why and you also can't be sure that without those things it wouldn't sell the same or almost the same. No matter what reason you give the fact of the matter is PS2 is at the top. DS is second. Switch is third. Whether it will become 2nd or 1st the time will tell. If we start with the reasons we can find them in all of the consoles, we can also find why this and that console didn't sell more and what could've happened if this and that. Those are only empty discussions. Happy or not, those are the facts.

And no PS2 is not PS5 in modern days. PS5 is very far from PS2 at it's time by almost every criteria.

Last edited by XtremeBG - on 12 June 2024

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