To those who say Octopath is not worth 60 dollars...

[Mnementh]

DonFerrari said:

Mnementh said:

The bolded is just silly. As a consumer it doesn't matter at all to me, how much the productions costs. The only relevant thing is the result. As the Metascore shows, Octopath as a result is of higher quality than Destiny, Knack 2, Ryse, The Order, Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, Gravity Rush 2 or Yakuza Kiwami. If you pay more for inferior games that's totally fine and your thing, but your justification it is fair because the devs burned more money is pretty off. That is only relevant if the game is status object, not something that entertains you. Because in the latter case costs are irrelevant if the result is of high quality.

Basically you're and others are saying a game with 84 Meta has not much value. That is incredibly off.

(1) You thinking that as a customer it doesn't matter how much it cost doesn't make it silly. I'm completely against paying more than I should. For me a company should make no more than 25% of profit margin over me. So if a game is cheap to make and will sell a lot I don't see any reason to pay 60 USD. Will wait for it to be cheap to me to buy as it was to be made. But guess which between Destiny, Knack 2, The Order, Wolfenstein, GR2 and YK I have paid 60 USD? None.

(2) You are 10 years late to VGC? Been like this since Metacritic isn't considered a measure of quality.

(3) If you don't like a product that critics regards as 100, it have 0 value for you. Have you bought all games that have been over 84 in metacritic for 60 USD? (4) Resogun launched with 84 in metacritic have over 100h of play time and costed less than 15 USD (and were free with PS+) so using your argument based on metacritic games that are equal or lower on metacritic should cost no more than Resogun right?

Mnementh said:

The problem isn't different opinions. I have no problems with people disliking the game. The problem is people saying it isn't worth full-price, because they don't like it. If a game with 84 Meta hasn't enough value for full price, what does?

And the genre is no reason for that. I dislike some genres, but I don't go around saying all sports-games should be discounted, because they have no value.

Perhaps those would also see the 84 in Meta undeserved because it should lose a lot of points because it doesn't meet the standard in several areas (5) and the reason for the score is perhaps they taking it lighter because they considered it as if older gen.

(1) Sorry, this argument sounds like we should pay more if the company making a product is bad with budget and punish them for calculating well their costs. This sounds like communism. In free market though, if you make a product of the same quality as your competition, but for half the price, you get just more money. Nobody forces you to ask a lower price (although you could). I'm not willing to pay up for a game that isn't up to my standards, only because the production burned a lot of money. That's why I bought Assassins Creed 3 and 4 for 10€ each.

(2) Yeah, we have our gripes with it. But what better measure of quality? Your subjective feelings? No, I take Meta over it every day. You can't say for subjective criteria Octopath would've no value and then dismiss Meta. With all it's problems, it is way more objective than what you have to offer.

(3) Yes, I can dislike games with high Meta. I would never say though, they don't deserve the price-point. Spoiler-alert, I disliked GTA V. Should I go around and claim it is worth no more than 15€ or so? I can decide which games are to my liking and which not, but still accept that games I dislike have good quality and value.

(4) Sadly Indies have a difficult position. People buy the games of big publishers, that are able to print physical copies and push them into the retailers, while maintaining advertisement for it. Is Resogun worth more than Star Wars Battlefront II? Sure it is. It has more value. But EA being a big company with ads and licensing a big IP to put their game into put them on the better position. So yes, Resogun is worth more than many AAA-shit.

(5) Bwahahaha. Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

 

So, in conclusion, you can pay inflated prices on shitty games that just happened to burn a lot of money in production as much as you like and justify it as you want (Yeah, because the producers never learned how to use money, we throw more at them, yesyesyes!). But don't tell anyone a quality game like Ocotpath Traveler has no objective value, because it obviously has. Your argument would look a lot better, if the game had a mediocre score on Meta, because optics do influence the score. But maybe in difference to you the critics may recognize the art-style as unique and charming.

Last edited by Mnementh - on 22 July 2018