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What score would you give Joker

10 17 26.98%
 
9 16 25.40%
 
8 5 7.94%
 
7 3 4.76%
 
6 5 7.94%
 
5 0 0.00%
 
4 1 1.59%
 
3 or below 1 1.59%
 
haven't watched it 14 22.22%
 
won't watch it 1 1.59%
 
Total:63

As others have pointed out, it's a very well crafted film, but I'd add the stipulation that I don't entirely agree with it's message and could poke holes in certain plot elements relating to them. I sympathized with the Joker while also fully recognizing that he made the wrong choices at nearly every turn, but I'm also a functioning adult so there.

The controversy surrounding it is pure activist crap that ended up equaling higher ticket sales, so just another in a long instance of modern day moral outrage activists shooting themselves in the foot. Regardless of how much it makes, this was DC's most influential film since the Dark Knight. It had a couple of good twists and it's a very culturally appropriate movie.

Not sure what to rate it. It's definitely well above average, but I also feel like it wasn't a fulfilling movie experience the way I would describe the many repeat viewings of the Dark Knight were for me. I'd say it just isn't the type of movie for me, but I like darker subject material in my entertainment. I'm probably an outlier either way.

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Wonderful movie and i hope all the world see this. 10/10



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Now that we all agree that the film was spectacular, let's delve deep into this thing.

Do you think Thomas Wayne was the Joker's dad? I think he was. I think Batman's dad was an asshole. Batman doesn't know this because he was a dumb 10 year old. We all loved our parents at that age. That man was a monster!

Also, do you believe the story that the Joker told? The man is fucked up! I think he was lying throughout the film and the film confirms it.

-Joker said the other guy gave him a gun. Joker's boss said he bought the gun from a friend.
-Joker said some kids beat him and stole the sign. His boss said he stole the sign.
-Joker said he told his social worker he wanted to be a comedian. His social worker said he never told her that.

There's TONS of examples throughout the film and it makes me want to watch it again to see what was real and what was in his head. Or what he just ignored (Like killing his mom because she lied and then seeing the picture that MAY have proved his mom really did have a relationship with him).

Amazing film. People just need to pay attention.



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COKTOE said:
SuaveSocialist said:
Not wasting my time on it. DC needs to release three consecutive movies that achieve at least 75% on the Tomatometer before I think about giving them another chance. Joker just sets the count back to zero, like Aquaman before it.

That's an interesting take. Can't you just enjoy it as a stand-alone film? I was kind of against the idea of a Joker origin movie, because he's always been, from my time in the world of comics at least, a total mystery, and I wasn't keen on potentially taking a journey into the mind of an idiot to see their take on story that had never been told. And back to your stance: Isn't this movie it's own separate thing? Insofar as it has nothing to do with the ugly mess that is (was?) the DCCU? Anywhoo, please don't read this as aggro. I can assure you I'm in my pajamas smoking a pipe.

Being stand-alone doesn't help it; I lost confidence in DC's film-making a long time ago.  Regardless of a film's individual quality (and Joker fell short of the mark), they are going to have to prove themselves capable of consistently meeting a reasonable standard before I give them another chance.



d21lewis said:
Now that we all agree that the film was spectacular, let's delve deep into this thing.

Do you think Thomas Wayne was the Joker's dad? I think he was. I think Batman's dad was an asshole. Batman doesn't know this because he was a dumb 10 year old. We all loved our parents at that age. That man was a monster!

Also, do you believe the story that the Joker told? The man is fucked up! I think he was lying throughout the film and the film confirms it.

-Joker said the other guy gave him a gun. Joker's boss said he bought the gun from a friend.
-Joker said some kids beat him and stole the sign. His boss said he stole the sign.
-Joker said he told his social worker he wanted to be a comedian. His social worker said he never told her that.

There's TONS of examples throughout the film and it makes me want to watch it again to see what was real and what was in his head. Or what he just ignored (Like killing his mom because she lied and then seeing the picture that MAY have proved his mom really did have a relationship with him).

Amazing film. People just need to pay attention.

I'd kind of like to discuss this stuff, but I am wondering is it ok to do it in this thread?  This is the type of movie I'd really not want to spoil for anyone. 

I do agree though that I need to see it again.  When I got to the end of the film I found myself questioning what parts were real.  I definitely need at least one rewatch if not more.  I'll probably just buy the film when it gets a blu-ray release.  It does seem like the type of film to just own and rewatch.



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Easily one of the finest films ever made and I've ever seen. Like many have said...it really is masterfully made. The ending was truly remarkable and I for one was not prepared for what was about to unfold. The theater was dead silent....



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I would say its a good movie, one that I would rate a high 8/10 (8.9 etc.).

However it has a few issues that keep it back from reaching greatness.

The things it does well is obviously the main character and the portrayal of Arthur Fleck and his transition to becoming the joker.

Where it falls behind is in the Joker part...i feel its so far from what we normally know about the Joker across any medium, that it doesn't really give you a feel for "Joker".

By the end of the movie you still haven't seen "The Joker" and it feels as if the transitioning is ongoing. But perhaps that was intended, still feels like it lacked a plot or some sort of affirmation that this is the Joker.

Also i dont see how they will tie in a Batman in this universe it is overly realistic, its going to take some genius directing to get that right.



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jason1637 said:
Darwinianevolution said:
As someone who hasn't seen the film and didn't even follow the fearmongering of the media did (seriously, what the hell happened here? Can someone explain?), I'm not sure what I'm in for. I am thinking of going to watch it, but I'm really tired of comic book films...

From what I've seen the controversy is because the Joker is a white dude that gets bullied and hos dreams shattered so he resorts to going on a killing spree.

It also had to do with the mass shooting of the Batman: The Dark Knight Rises premiere.
The shooter was initially said to be dressed as the Joker. Referred to himself as the Joker. And colored his hair because of it, etc.

But it turns out that that info was inaccurate. But the story still persists, because more people heard about the initial story than the correction.
So concerns of a copycat killer combined with how this Joker was portrayed became a thing.

Though constantly mentioning it in the news can probably inspire that kind of event just the same.



Am I bad for not feeling sad for some of the deaths in the movie? Not that i'd endorse the actions, but part of me though good riddance. Again, murder is not something i'd ever do. I also can't see how this movie will be responsible for others to take actions in their own hands. The thing is, those mentally fked up, are a ticking time bomb, eventually will do something stupid, with or without a movie.



KratosLives said:
Am I bad for not feeling sad for some of the deaths in the movie? Not that i'd endorse the actions, but part of me though good riddance. Again, murder is not something i'd ever do. I also can't see how this movie will be responsible for others to take actions in their own hands. The thing is, those mentally fked up, are a ticking time bomb, eventually will do something stupid, with or without a movie.

Most likely no? Especially since you're taking the time to ponder the idea yourself. I've certainly cheered for characters that escape the standard confines of the anti-hero. I've sympathized with villains.



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