Now that we all agree that the film was spectacular, let's delve deep into this thing.

Do you think Thomas Wayne was the Joker's dad? I think he was. I think Batman's dad was an asshole. Batman doesn't know this because he was a dumb 10 year old. We all loved our parents at that age. That man was a monster!

Also, do you believe the story that the Joker told? The man is fucked up! I think he was lying throughout the film and the film confirms it.

-Joker said the other guy gave him a gun. Joker's boss said he bought the gun from a friend.
-Joker said some kids beat him and stole the sign. His boss said he stole the sign.
-Joker said he told his social worker he wanted to be a comedian. His social worker said he never told her that.

There's TONS of examples throughout the film and it makes me want to watch it again to see what was real and what was in his head. Or what he just ignored (Like killing his mom because she lied and then seeing the picture that MAY have proved his mom really did have a relationship with him).

Amazing film. People just need to pay attention.

Being stand-alone doesn't help it; I lost confidence in DC's film-making a long time ago.  Regardless of a film's individual quality (and Joker fell short of the mark), they are going to have to prove themselves capable of consistently meeting a reasonable standard before I give them another chance.

I'd kind of like to discuss this stuff, but I am wondering is it ok to do it in this thread?  This is the type of movie I'd really not want to spoil for anyone. 

I do agree though that I need to see it again.  When I got to the end of the film I found myself questioning what parts were real.  I definitely need at least one rewatch if not more.  I'll probably just buy the film when it gets a blu-ray release.  It does seem like the type of film to just own and rewatch.

Easily one of the finest films ever made and I've ever seen. Like many have said...it really is masterfully made. The ending was truly remarkable and I for one was not prepared for what was about to unfold. The theater was dead silent....

I would say its a good movie, one that I would rate a high 8/10 (8.9 etc.).

However it has a few issues that keep it back from reaching greatness.

The things it does well is obviously the main character and the portrayal of Arthur Fleck and his transition to becoming the joker.

Where it falls behind is in the Joker part...i feel its so far from what we normally know about the Joker across any medium, that it doesn't really give you a feel for "Joker".

By the end of the movie you still haven't seen "The Joker" and it feels as if the transitioning is ongoing. But perhaps that was intended, still feels like it lacked a plot or some sort of affirmation that this is the Joker.

Also i dont see how they will tie in a Batman in this universe it is overly realistic, its going to take some genius directing to get that right.

Am I bad for not feeling sad for some of the deaths in the movie? Not that i'd endorse the actions, but part of me though good riddance. Again, murder is not something i'd ever do. I also can't see how this movie will be responsible for others to take actions in their own hands. The thing is, those mentally fked up, are a ticking time bomb, eventually will do something stupid, with or without a movie.

Most likely no? Especially since you're taking the time to ponder the idea yourself. I've certainly cheered for characters that escape the standard confines of the anti-hero. I've sympathized with villains.

The movie sets you up to think this way. It is uncomfortable, but we are all glad that bad people die. This is why we have the death penalty in the first place.

Joker killing Randall with the scissors and letting the midget live is the best metaphor in movie history. He sticks it to the big guy and stands up for the little guy. PURE GENIUS.

Joker probably never even met Thomas Wayne in the first place. After he gets punched by him, he stands over the sink staring at the mirror with a bloody nose. The next scene cuts to him being in his apartment doing the same thing.

And Joker could have easily not killed those three guys on the train, but simply identified with the murderer since he wore a clown mask. Joker oftentimes puts himself into the lives and roles of others as evidenced by the scenes on the talk show.  Yeah, that unreliable narator sure makes you doubt what could be perceived as reality at every turn.  Without an outside take on the events in this film it will probably be next to impossible to peg down any concrete moments.  Many rewatches may help this.  And who knows how intentional all of this is. It could have just been a cute way to trick the audience, but once you open the unreliable narrator "can of worms" it's hard to put them all back in.