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KLAMarine on 05 October 2019
Cerebralbore101 said:
KLAMarine said:

"You are missing the point. Most people don't care about crossplay. So it was never worth going about making mountains out of molehills over it anyway."

>I know that most don't care about crossplay but if they don't care about it, why care about what they have to say on the matter? The people who DO care about crossplay are the ones who are potentially being denied a benefit.

"It doesn't matter if they are different. If the argument is invalid for one thing it is invalid for all things."

>You're missing the point: Sony pushed back against DRM which is good so Sony should not have caved into that demand. Cross-play on the other hand is a good thing for the consumer but Sony did not champion it as much as their competition.

"A game with 500,000 players is not going to die anywhere near as fast as a game with 100,000 players. I don't care if a game that came out in 2010 dies out in 2015 instead of 2025. Publishers do care if their crappy MTX infested game dies out in six months though. If crossplay means they can keep that game on life support for another six months of course they are all for it."

>And let them keep it on life support. If there are people who enjoy that game, they should be able to play it. If YOU think it's a crappy game, good for you. You don't have to play that game.

"If MS was out to benefit consumers they would never have standardized paid online. They would never have pushed for DRM on Xbox in 2013. They would never have started pumping MTX into their flagship titles. They are out for themselves, simple as that."

>Microsoft is ultimately looking to profit, no differently than Sony or Nintendo. If something they do stands to benefit the consumer however, I'm going to applaud it regardless.

I know that most don't care about crossplay but if they don't care about it, why care about what they have to say on the matter? The people who DO care about crossplay are the ones who are potentially being denied a benefit.

Well as long as you agree that most people don't care about crossplay, I'm good. 


You're missing the point: Sony pushed back against DRM which is good so Sony should not have caved into that demand. Cross-play on the other hand is a good thing for the consumer but Sony did not champion it as much as their competition.

They didn't champion it, because it wasn't a very big issue. 

And let them keep it on life support. If there are people who enjoy that game, they should be able to play it. If YOU think it's a crappy game, good for you. You don't have to play that game.

No, I just have to live in a world where that crappy game hurts game franchises I like. Mass Effect Andromeda was so underwhelming because EA decided that Bioware's main team needed to work on Anthem instead. Bethesda has wasted resources on Fallout 76 that could have been used to make Fallout 5. Wolfenstein Youngblood was saddled with MTX so badly, that the progression system was completely unbalanced. 

Not to mention that the more games come out with MTX, the more other publishers will try the same dirty tricks. 

The number of people that are indirectly or directly inconvenienced by the existence of these shitty games far outweighs the scant few that genuinely enjoy them. So, no they should not be able to play it. 


Microsoft is ultimately looking to profit, no differently than Sony or Nintendo. If something they do stands to benefit the consumer however, I'm going to applaud it regardless.

MS is looking to profit by any means possible. Sony and Nintendo have standards. Neither company is perfect. Nintendo should fix the Joycon issue. Sony's PS4 UI should be streamlined. But MS makes them both look like saints. 

Edit: PS, I'm fine with crossplay. I'm not saying it shouldn't exist. I'm just sick of people treating it like it's a dire issue that Sony should have fixed right away, when it clearly wasn't. 

"No, I just have to live in a world where that crappy game hurts game franchises I like. Mass Effect Andromeda was so underwhelming because EA decided that Bioware's main team needed to work on Anthem instead. Bethesda has wasted resources on Fallout 76 that could have been used to make Fallout 5. Wolfenstein Youngblood was saddled with MTX so badly, that the progression system was completely unbalanced. 

Not to mention that the more games come out with MTX, the more other publishers will try the same dirty tricks. 

The number of people that are indirectly or directly inconvenienced by the existence of these shitty games far outweighs the scant few that genuinely enjoy them. So, no they should not be able to play it."

>Sounds terrible but what does cross-play have to do with this?

"MS is looking to profit by any means possible. Sony and Nintendo have standards. Neither company is perfect. Nintendo should fix the Joycon issue. Sony's PS4 UI should be streamlined. But MS makes them both look like saints. 

Edit: PS, I'm fine with crossplay. I'm not saying it shouldn't exist."

>I think Sony has gone to do worse than Microsoft actually. Backing and selling the disaster that was No Man's Sky, trying to copyright "Let's Play", and hijacking Fortnite accounts.

No, I think Sony actually went worse than Microsoft.

"I'm just sick of people treating it like it's a dire issue that Sony should have fixed right away, when it clearly wasn't."

>For some people, it is a very important issue. That's why you hear from them.



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Cerebralbore101 on 05 October 2019
zero129 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Not being able to play online with people on another system has been industry standard since the days of the Dreamcast. People that complain about lack of crossplay in a game are the same people that think console exclusives are evil. They are the same people that desperately want Stadia to take off.

Umm no... I love the idea of cross play, i love the idea of no exclusives. I hate the idea of stadia.....

You just proved my point. :)



Cerebralbore101 on 05 October 2019
zero129 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

You just proved my point. :)

Not really you also said "Are the same people who want Stadia to take off" i proved your point that isnt the case. Just as im also sure the is users who want cross play but still love exclusives.

It's a three way venn diagram. People that like Stadia, and people that hate console exclusives don't have to completely overlap for it to be true. 



smroadkill15 on 05 October 2019
Cerebralbore101 said:
zero129 said:

Umm no... I love the idea of cross play, i love the idea of no exclusives. I hate the idea of stadia.....

You just proved my point. :)

I love crossplay, exclusives are important for all systems, and I don't care for stadia. There you go. 



SwitchUP on 05 October 2019

I think it's good news. While it may not be a big deal for everyone and every game, the games that may not have many players, it will hopefully keep those going by combining the people who play any game. Good job Sony, and thanks for joining the cross play movement.



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think-man on 05 October 2019
zero129 said:
think-man said:
I hope you can turn the feature off, i don't want to cross play in shooters, pc would have too much of an advantage. Not only that PC games are usually prone to cheaters. Take Apex Legends for example, free to play game, if you get banned for cheating you just make another account and continue cheating. I don't want that to happen when I'm playing, it's enough to put me off entirely and just go back to single player games.

Are you honestly under the impression that this doesn't happen on consoles??. A quick google search will show you a number of sites that allow such hacks on consoles.

They aren't even comparable. In Apex Legends on console I've played 2500 games without a cheater. My friend on pc says he encounters at least one a DAY! 



 

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HollyGamer on 05 October 2019
zero129 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Not being able to play online with people on another system has been industry standard since the days of the Dreamcast. People that complain about lack of crossplay in a game are the same people that think console exclusives are evil. They are the same people that desperately want Stadia to take off.

Umm no... I love the idea of cross play, i love the idea of no exclusives. I hate the idea of stadia.....

Then you can just stick to PC.  No need to barge in in console discussion 



Azzanation on 05 October 2019

If true, i think its quite a corinsedents its announced not long after the CEO retires.

Also i am glad to see this anti consumer practice disappear. Well hoping so anyway.

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d21lewis on 07 October 2019

Off the top of my head, crossplay with PC is nothing new. Dreamcast had it with Quake 3. Xbox 360 had it with Shadowgate. PS3 had it with Final Fantasy Something.

I'm just glad to see it finally happening between consoles and hopefully the floodgates will open for the feature between Sony and Microsoft.