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LudicrousSpeed on 07 October 2019
DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

What drives someone like you to make comments about games you clearly haven’t played and present them in such a factual way? You’re clueless about Gears 5, and Forza and Madden with that comparison, and MC very much was in Halo 5. 

Just curious. I don’t care for a game like Death Stranding or most Japanese nonsense even though I own a PS4, so I don’t comment about them. Why put your foot in your mouth for no reason? 

Still you bring Japanese titles to almost all discussion to mock them.


They deserve mocking, they’re Japanese titles. But I never do it to any specific game with something blatantly false. I don’t play them, so I’m not going to discuss them in any serious manner.



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DonFerrari on 07 October 2019
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

Still you bring Japanese titles to almost all discussion to mock them.


They deserve mocking, they’re Japanese titles. But I never do it to any specific game with something blatantly false. I don’t play them, so I’m not going to discuss them in any serious manner.

So you do worse, you just dismiss any game that is made there, brilliant.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Cerebralbore101 on 07 October 2019
trasharmdsister12 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Forza is the Madden of racing games.

Care to elaborate what you mean by this?

Cerebralbore101 said:

The last Halo didn't even have Master Chief in it, and it also had MTX in multiplayer. 

Are you talking about Halo 5 or Halo Wars 2? Because Halo 5 did feature Master Chief and Halo Wars as a series isn't about those characters. 

Cerebralbore101 said:

4K/30 on the Pro is tantamount to 1440/60 on a PC, so IMO all Sony really needs to do is give people the option of lowering the resolution to up the FPS. 

If I'm understanding what you're trying to say correctly (that lowering the resolution on some games on the PS4 Pro would allow them to run at 60 fps), that's not really how it works for some 30 fps games. The bottleneck requiring a 30 fps lock is that the CPU can't run the game logic and simulation at 60 fps, even if the GPU has additional headroom from the lower resolution. 

To explain it better, imagine we have a PC with a GTX 1060 running Counter Strike GO at 1440p and it's paired with... say... a dual core i3 processor. That's hardly going to push the GPU while for the sake of discussion let's say the CPU is maxed out pushing 72 frames per second. Dropping the resolution to 1080p isn't going to suddenly increase the framerate to 144 fps because the GPU is now pushing half the pixels. If the i3 processor is already the bottleneck, the framerate will barely increase in comparison to the expected increase.

My mistake. MC was in Halo 5. I can't believe I didn't doublecheck that. *facepalms*

I just mean that Forza is a yearly sports franchise, so it holds about as much console selling power as MLB The Show. Sure, it gets good reviews and all, but so does MLB The Show. And even if I was a baseball, or racing fan, I wouldn't be buying a console just on that. IMO MS should make it a franchise that shows up once every three years, and spend the dev time on something else. 

For example: 2011 Forza, 2012 New IP, 2013 New IP, 2014 Forza

This would help their stock of quality exclusives a lot. 

Or to put it another way. In the year 2019, I really don't think anybody is interested in going out and buying all 5 to 7 Forza games that were made for XB1, or all the MLB The Show games made for PS4. 

I was assuming for the sake of argument that PS5 would have a CPU capable of handling the FPS, but a GPU not capable of handling both 4K and high FPS. 



Cerebralbore101 on 07 October 2019
FloatingWaffles said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Sony's exclusives are only as good as they are, because they are made to sell consoles. Same goes for Nintendo. If you want to know how quality drops once a console maker stops making games exclusive just look at Microsoft. Gears 5 is MTX ridden. Forza is the Madden of racing games. The last Halo didn't even have Master Chief in it, and it also had MTX in multiplayer. 

4K/30 on the Pro is tantamount to 1440/60 on a PC, so IMO all Sony really needs to do is give people the option of lowering the resolution to up the FPS. Hopefully that's a feature on PS5 where you can choose between 4K/60 and 8K/30. And if that kind of resolution/frames isn't possible on PS5, then they can release a Pro model in 2023 that can handle it. 

Personally, I'd love for Sony to just produce a $100 "Playstation Player" disc tray that allowed you to play your PS games on PC. That way you could have physical games, and the ability to run them how you want, without any oppressive PC style DRM attached. It really would be the best of both worlds. 

P.S. Your views on exclusives being anti-consumer are in the extreme minority. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239874&page=1

Microsoft's first party output this gen was stumbling way before they made the decision to put their games on PC, so no that's not the reason they dropped in quality. Hell, that idea doesn't even make sense. If developing a game for PC at the same time as console meant it dropped in quality then 99% of multiplatform games would not be good according to that logic since they all have PC versions as well.

Crackdown, State of Decay 2, and Sea of Thieves came out either at the same time MS started putting its games on PC, or a little after. 

Developing for multiple platforms isn't the issue. The issue is not caring enough to make the games as good as they can be, because they are no longer meant to sell consoles. 



LudicrousSpeed on 07 October 2019
DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:


They deserve mocking, they’re Japanese titles. But I never do it to any specific game with something blatantly false. I don’t play them, so I’m not going to discuss them in any serious manner.

So you do worse, you just dismiss any game that is made there, brilliant.

No, Japanese is a style, not an origin. 

Also, of course I dismiss it. I know I won’t enjoy it. I can dismiss any country album that comes out because I know I won’t enjoy it. However, I wouldn’t say something about the latest Garth Brooks album with authority that is blatantly false just to make some point. 

And no, that’s not worse 👍 Talking out of your butt is worse.



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LudicrousSpeed on 07 October 2019
Cerebralbore101 said:
FloatingWaffles said:

Microsoft's first party output this gen was stumbling way before they made the decision to put their games on PC, so no that's not the reason they dropped in quality. Hell, that idea doesn't even make sense. If developing a game for PC at the same time as console meant it dropped in quality then 99% of multiplatform games would not be good according to that logic since they all have PC versions as well.

Crackdown, State of Decay 2, and Sea of Thieves came out either at the same time MS started putting its games on PC, or a little after. 

Developing for multiple platforms isn't the issue. The issue is not caring enough to make the games as good as they can be, because they are no longer meant to sell consoles. 

That’s true. Just imagine how good GTA V or Witcher 3 would have been had they been designed to sell consoles.



DonFerrari on 07 October 2019
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

So you do worse, you just dismiss any game that is made there, brilliant.

No, Japanese is a style, not an origin. 

Also, of course I dismiss it. I know I won’t enjoy it. I can dismiss any country album that comes out because I know I won’t enjoy it. However, I wouldn’t say something about the latest Garth Brooks album with authority that is blatantly false just to make some point. 

And no, that’s not worse 👍 Talking out of your butt is worse.

Except you don't put as you don't like the titles, you put as if they were bad.

But yes you would never do any console warmongering.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

LudicrousSpeed on 07 October 2019
DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

No, Japanese is a style, not an origin. 

Also, of course I dismiss it. I know I won’t enjoy it. I can dismiss any country album that comes out because I know I won’t enjoy it. However, I wouldn’t say something about the latest Garth Brooks album with authority that is blatantly false just to make some point. 

And no, that’s not worse 👍 Talking out of your butt is worse.

Except you don't put as you don't like the titles, you put as if they were bad.

But yes you would never do any console warmongering.

I do put it as I don’t care about the titles. To me, they are bad. What part of this is confusing you?

And what console warz nonsense are you bringing in to this, as if there are no Japanese titles on Xbox or Switch or PC, all platforms I own and game on. They aren’t exclusive to PS4 😆

I’m not going to reply to this nonsense tangent anymore, enough people called him out on it.



Cerebralbore101 on 07 October 2019
LudicrousSpeed said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Crackdown, State of Decay 2, and Sea of Thieves came out either at the same time MS started putting its games on PC, or a little after. 

Developing for multiple platforms isn't the issue. The issue is not caring enough to make the games as good as they can be, because they are no longer meant to sell consoles. 

That’s true. Just imagine how good GTA V or Witcher 3 would have been had they been designed to sell consoles.

Witcher 3 would have been sitting at 96 or 97 aggregate reviews had it been designed to sell consoles. Rockstar is the only dev that can consistently get review scores as high as BotW, GoW, TLoU, or Odyssey. 



d21lewis on 07 October 2019
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

So you do worse, you just dismiss any game that is made there, brilliant.

No, Japanese is a style, not an origin. 

Also, of course I dismiss it. I know I won’t enjoy it. I can dismiss any country album that comes out because I know I won’t enjoy it. However, I wouldn’t say something about the latest Garth Brooks album with authority that is blatantly false just to make some point. 

And no, that’s not worse 👍 Talking out of your butt is worse.

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