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Thought this was interesting:

In hindsight, it’s still amazing to consider how Spider-Man: Homecoming actually happened. Two rival studios came together, without any significant exchange of money, to share a single character that benefitted both sides. Again, Marvel/Disney made no money from Homecoming’s box office. They simply got the satisfaction of getting to personally oversee the creative decisions made in putting the movie together, and subsequently crossover Tom Holland’s adorable Peter Parker into other various MCU movies. That kind of speaks volumes to Feige and Co.’s passion for these characters.

From the same article:

On February 9, 2015 a groundbreaking deal was announced. A new Spider-Man would debut in 2016’s Captain America: Civil War, released by Disney, and that same Spider-Man would star in a new standalone movie released by Sony in 2017, produced by Marvel Studios. The financial agreement reached was far less complicated than Marvel’s initial offer: each studio would fully invest in and keep the profits from its respective features, meaning that Marvel Studios makes zero dollars from Sony’s new standalone Spider-Man movies and Sony makes zero dollars from Civil War. Instead, the annual fee that Marvel pays Sony to keep the toy and merchandising profits to the Spider-Man character at Marvel would be reduced from $35 million if the new Marvel-produced Spider-Man movie grossed over $750 million (it did). Moreover, the two studios get the satisfaction of making a great Spider-Man movie while giving the character an added spotlight in multiple MCU films.

http://collider.com/spider-man-homecoming-marvel-sony-deal-explained/#tom-holland

My understanding is that Marvel proposed putting up 50% of the money to make the stand-alone spider-man movies in exchange for 50% of the profits and they would continue to feature the characters in their movies as well as give creative input. 

Personal opinion I wish the deal had gone through to the benefit of both franchises otherwise we will keep seeing spider-man movies every 5years 9 months so that Sony's rights to that character and the 900 other characters associated with him don't revert back to Marvel.

Last edited by The_Yoda - on 21 August 2019

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My understanding of this from a few videos and articles is that Disney not only wanted 50% of the profits from every main Spider-man movie's box-office but they also wanted 50% of every Spider-man-related movie, such as Kraven the Hunter, Morbius, Venom, Spider-verse, etc etc.

Regardless if you want Spider-man to be supervised by Marvel and for him to stay in the MCU, you gotta admit that deal is insane. No sane company with the movie rights to Spider-man would EVER make that deal. I can't really defend Sony's movie quality but I can certainly understand why they would back out of the deal with Disney.



Torillian said:
KManX89 said:

Because it worked so well for Spider-Man 3 and both ASM movies.

And both Ghost Rider movies, even though they're not apart of the Spidey universe. They still count because they're Sony (standalone) films.

LOL. 

Don't see why we go back to ghost rider on this topic when Sony just made one of the best spider-man movies of all time without any assistance from Disney. 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spider_man_into_the_spider_verse

Don't you think that's more relevant than how bad a completely different super hero movie franchise was almost a decade ago?

So you're just gonna conveniently ignore the tidbit about Spidey 3 and both (Un)Amazing Spider-Man movies? Not to mention that was an animated film, huge jump from that and live-action, which they've fucked up since 2007. Also the leaked Spider-Man 4 script was terrible and would've garnered even worse reception than Spider-Man 3.

Plus it's Sony. Every attempt of theirs to start a franchise has fallen flat, Resident Evil, Jumanji, Ghostbusters, Men in Black. They WILL fuck it up eventually (it might not even take them long to do it judging by their track record, lol), that's just how they roll.



I take Sony also own the rights for spiderman video games?



KManX89 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
They’ll reach a deal. Maybe not 50/50, but it should be higher than 5%. Spider-Man is only as big now because of the MCU involvement.

Good luck with SM movies with Tim Rothman in control lol

And Avi Arad, who's fucked up Spider-Man and Ghost Rider since 2007. He also gave us the 2 worst X-Men films, the 2 shitty Fox Fantastic Four movies, the godawful Elektra, the terrible watered-down TC of DareDevil, the shitty Ang Lee Hulk film, Ghost in the Shell and is now gonna put CARNAGE in a PG-13 movie (!), because it worked so well for DareDevil and Ghost Rider, LOL.  

Not only that, but every attempt of theirs to start a franchise has failed. Jumanji, Resident Evil, GhostBusters. They also made the Emoji movie, Pixels, The 5th Wave, the Dark Tower, the RoboCop and Total Recall remakes, Sex Tape, Jack and Jill, Grown Ups 1 and 2, also complete failures both critically and commercially. Yeah they have the occasional sleeper like Superbad and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (which Tarantino, wrote, produced and directed with full creative control and Sony only distributed and signed the checks, so I'm not even sure this counts), but that's not exactly a boastful list right there.

And people wonder why others are petrified of them taking Spider-Man without Papa Marvel overseeing them. 

Oh and BTW, their stocks have taken a MASSIVE drop since backing out of the deal, LOL:

Stock drops shouldn't be considered, remember Nintendo's stock dropping after the announcement of the Switch



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HylianSwordsman said:
Not gonna lie, I don't care whose fault it is, I just want to see all Marvel properties and IPs controlled by one corporate entity. Doesn't have to be Disney, but if they can get it done, fine. Tired of seeing Spiderman separated from the rest like this. Better yet, actually, if I had a magic wand, I'd put all Marvel IPs into the public domain. Then I could actually enjoy every company's attempt at a cinematic universe, all in one lifetime.

Same here. Also, not just Spiderman, but to a lesser degree also the Hulk (Disney doesn't own the publishing rights of Hulk movies, hence why there's only one in the MCU)

And like I said in a previous post, I think Disney has gotten too big and needs to be cut down to size, preferably by making Marvel, including Marvel studios and all IP and ongoing contracts, it's own entity again, completely separate from Disney.



KManX89 said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Yeah, fuck Disney for the sole purpose of being greedy.

@ that guy that said "Sony doesn't own anything"
Back in 2015, Sony struck a deal with Disney's Marvel Studios that PERMITTED Spider-Man to be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Spidey has been in 3 MCU movies so far and Sony cannot incorporate the character into its own extended universe until the deal comes to a conclusion. Now guess what, that deal has come to a conclusion and Sony is free to incorporate the Spider-Man franchise into their own spidey-universe.

Because it worked so well for Spider-Man 3 and both ASM movies.

And both Ghost Rider movies, even though they're not apart of the Spidey universe. They still count because they're Sony (standalone) films.

LOL. 

Wasn't only the first Ghost Rider made by Sony? I can't see any information about them making the 2nd one. 



As far as I'm aware, Marvel owns the rights to everything spiderman related outside of movies so I'm not sure why Disney feels the need to become so greedy. Not surprised Sony would decline any offer to split costs or profits.



KManX89 said:

So you're just gonna conveniently ignore the tidbit about Spidey 3 and both (Un)Amazing Spider-Man movies? Not to mention that was an animated film, huge jump from that and live-action, which they've fucked up since 2007. Also the leaked Spider-Man 4 script was terrible and would've garnered even worse reception than Spider-Man 3.

Plus it's Sony. Every attempt of theirs to start a franchise has fallen flat, Resident Evil, Jumanji, Ghostbusters, Men in Black. They WILL fuck it up eventually (it might not even take them long to do it judging by their track record, lol), that's just how they roll.

Did you just include Jumanji? The new Jumanji film was a massive success. Critics, General audience and Jumanji fans liked it. Resident Evil was a critical failure but none of the movies flopped and is the highest-grossing video game movie series of all time.



Otter said:
I take Sony also own the rights for spiderman video games?

No, they apparently asked Marvel if they could make Spider-man (and it exclusive) because of the film deal as since Activision Marvel contract ended, there seemingly was no Marvel games made at all (for consoles) outside of MvC and Lego games really.

I think Marvel will now be dealing in singular contracts for games, not just 1 publisher like the past. Which is why we are getting the Avenger's game from SquEnix, why we'll most likely see a Spider-man sequel on PS5 and hopefully they will expand their games market to include other things, maybe a fighter or something (would love to see a Marvel fighter made by Tekken team).

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Hmm, pie.