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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

So the end goal was for a few major companies to working together to crush opposing views? I missed that somewhere.

I think your argument is a huge stretch. Also antithetical to existing laws which are supposed to stand against stuff like this.

Yeah, that's basically the endgame of laissez-faire capitalism: Companies getting to big to be opposed by anyone apart from other supercorps. 

No, I think that's the fear of it. Not the goal.



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o_O.Q said:
Mr Puggsly said:

This is what happens when you learn about economics from a socialist.

exactly and the thing that always gets me is that these people are here using computers with internet connections on a video game forum and cannot for some reason acknowledge the contradiction in their brains...

how do people think any of these things came into existence? its through competition dummies!!!

i swear its the most bizarre thing i have ever experienced

i'm starting to wonder if its the result of isolation away from the actual operations that produce the products we use and maintain our services that leads to this kind of ignorance and it seems to be the case in some cases

the other thing is that if you care so much about the poor, put your money where your mouth is and sell all of this unnecessary crap like video games and invest that into funding social programs for the poor and dedicate the time you would spend posting here to that cause

you don't do it because the truth is that you really don't care about the poor, its virtue signalling bullshit

Here's the thing though: Social democrats (the kind of people most Americans call socialists or far left despite being far away from the edges and actually center-left) believe very in that competition very much. In fact, one of their key points is to level the field for everyone and not having the bigger ones eating up the smaller ones like Majin Boo eating candy - which is what happens under laissez-faire capitalism all the time. It's called a social market economy.

And all that company-eating has a negative effect on innovation: why research when there's no competition who can challenge current products (just look what Intel did for years now). Oh, and since there's no competition, let's crank up the prices (Intel, NVidia and Apple for more well-known examples) as well. Besides, if they ever need to innovate, they'd just buy up a start-up or a competitor with some good ideas with a small part of the money they made by having no real competition.

I believe many of those who support laissez-faire capitalism  would actually be more in favor of Ordoliberalism, as here the State's main purpose is to keep a healthy competition between the companies and their output the closest possible to their theoretical maximum.



Mr Puggsly said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Yeah, that's basically the endgame of laissez-faire capitalism: Companies getting to big to be opposed by anyone apart from other supercorps. 

No, I think that's the fear of it. Not the goal.

No, the reality. What do you think that Too Big To Fail comes from? That's the point ll the corps want to achieve because from that point on, they can basically do as they please.



Mr Puggsly said:
OTBWY said:

Yes. They don't have to use the platform sooooo, bye bye.

The best case scenario is the abuse of major platforms is going to help competitors thrive.

But when we see major domain provider, credit card companies, Paypal, and other companies that arguably have some sort of monopoly refusing to work with people. That's when we have a real problem and it does happen. Again, they didn't pull this shit when they were creating their platform, only after they thrived and crushed competitors.

Great way to play a victim. The right has Fox News and many, MANY contributors on CNN and MSNBC are right-wingers but they are the biggest whiners whenever they don't get their way. Do you agree or not that an account on a privately owned website should be shut down if it breaks the terms of that account?



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Chris Hu said:
Sam Harris never had to worry about money in his entire life he was pretty much born with a silver spoon in his mouth. So him having a patreon account to being with was completely unnecessary.

What's your point though?

I mean I can think of a lot of rich people who technically don't need to make another dollar. Like pretty much anybody who has been a successful musician, athlete, or actor for years.

If he's willing to close his account to make a point, good for him. Personally I support a few people on Patreon and I'm going to use alternatives when available.

My point is right there in plain English.  Harris never needed a additional revenue stream in his entire life so there was never a reason for him to start a patreon account.  Patreon accounts are meant for people that don't make enough money through their regular jobs or for people that don't make enough money from what they do for a living not for people that already have more then enough money.



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I don't buy his argument for one second. These sites cancel accounts everyday that violates their terms and services, likely both right and left leaning accounts. But you mostly see the snowflakes on the right, same as what happened on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube... oh wait, Harris didn't end his account at any of those massive social networks. Go figure....



Wow, people actually believe we live in a free market? Boy, that's laughable. If we lived in a free market, big companies wouldn't be able to lobby the government to make two sets of rules. One for them. And one for their competition. These big corporations are protected, and probably get certain breaks, for being an "open platform." Those same protections are not given to up and comers. And in a free market, we don't have bailouts because a company "is too big to fail." That's a Socialist idea. In a true free market, if that company couldn't cut it, either by evolving with the market or cutting spending, they would go under and another company would take their place. That is a true free market. Not one where the government meddles with you pretty much every step of the way.

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I'm pulling my support from Patreon, as well. They were just looking for any excuse to take Sargon off. So, they finally found a video from months back, on a channel that wasn't his, and only had a few thousand views, where he said that racists were the actual "niggers." The truth is, there are probably tons of people on Patreon that use that word in their videos, but I guess they are from a protected class.



What did Sargon of Akkad do to get himself removed?



thismeintiel said:
Wow, people actually believe we live in a free market? Boy, that's laughable. If we lived in a free market, big companies wouldn't be able to lobby the government to make two sets of rules. One for them. And one for their competition. These big corporations are protected, and probably get certain breaks, for being an "open platform." Those same protections are not given to up and comers. And in a free market, we don't have bailouts because a company "is too big to fail." That's a Socialist idea. In a true free market, if that company couldn't cut it, either by evolving with the market or cutting spending, they would go under and another company would take their place. That is a true free market. Not one where the government meddles with you pretty much every step of the way.

@ OP

I'm pulling my support from Patreon, as well. They were just looking for any excuse to take Sargon off. So, they finally found a video from months back, on a channel that wasn't his, and only had a few thousand views, where he said that racists were the actual "niggers." The truth is, there are probably tons of people on Patreon that use that word in their videos, but I guess they are from a protected class.

No, you live in a mixed economy, just like most other countries. A completely free market works just as bad as a completely socialist system. But I don't see what that has to do with this case? Or is your argument that, because you don't have a completely free market, the government should force private entities to accept account that violates their terms?



While I would take any opportunity to jump at the terrible terrible company that is Patreon it all seems a bit shady to me. I need to know who those banned accounts are and what they did. If they were peddling dangerous ideas or misinformation I might even support that decision.



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