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DonFerrari on 19 December 2018
Intrinsic said:
Panicradio said:

Reportedly, in 2013 Sony had a $45 profit on each console sold when the PS4 was $399, yet alone comparing to manufacturing costs. That should be some reliable data to be able to find Sony's profit today. 

Source: https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1320199&image_number=1

I am from Germany, I don't think we've had any price tag just in the near of €199 since 2013. At least to me, Sony is still selling the PS4 at a above average price tag here, between €279 (not for the PRO, though) and €449 for bundles. The PRO, unless discounted, is still being sold between €349 and €399. And that's €.

Sony is probably making the best money right now.

 

EDIT and sort of correction of myself: Right now the two biggest retailers in Germany are selling the standalone 500GB Slim at €199, the standalone 1TB PRO (no bundle) at €299. But that's got to be the very first time I have ever seen it that low. 

From my most recent BOM assessment

  2013 PS4 TODAYs PS4
HDD $23 $16
BRDrive $25 $20
RAM $62 $28
APU $121 $55
Other $126 $75 - $100
TOTAL $357 $194 - $219

So yh, I guess its safe t assume sony is making alot of money on each unit right now.

It should be noted that at this point even the use of 7nm fabrication won't result in much of a drop. Thats because there are a number f things that just can't really et any lower. So 7nm will only bring about a further $40 or so price reduction (APU, Ram and Other will be the only things that et cheaper) which means the lowest price we may see of the PS4 is around $169 at some pint in the future. 

 

Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

A lot of good consoles have picked on their second full year.

What do you mean picked on? Switch is selling better than in it's first year, this much is clear. So yeah, Switch picks up momentum. But you do not expect this was the peak year for Switch? 2019 will be bigger for sure and 2020 probably the peak year. Will people compare then in 2021 to PS5 and say: Switch in it's fifth year sells better than the new console with the launch push? It's just ridiculous. Older consoles near peak are expected to sell better than new ones.

Peaked. No idea why it changed to picked =p

And several good consoles have peaked on second or third full year, actually peaking on the 4th or 5th are rare occasions.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Nate4Drake on 19 December 2018
SKMBlake said:
Nate4Drake said:

Everything is possible, like PS4 was over Switch by a bigger margin as well; but it doesn't matter, both are selling well and are profitable.

 For the year 2018, Switch has zero chances on earth to pass PS4, it will never.  2019 ? it doesn't matter anymore, as Switch does not even belong to the same Generation of PS4 and X1, 

 it's a new console, and Sony/MS will be preparing for the Next Gen.   

 

 

"PS4 beats the Switch this year but the Switch can't beat the PS4 in 2019 because they aren't on the same generation"

It doesn't matter even in 2018, 'cause Switch belongs to a different generation.  I just said that Switch cannot beat PS4 in 2018, it's a fact...but it doesn't matter anyway.  PS4 won this generation, and I hope MS will be more competitive with "Slarlet" family, and I truly believe they will !  Next Nintendo Console? It will belong to another generation, like Switch, and it will make a race on its own.

 



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Skeeuk on 19 December 2018

Ps4 is a monster. It will absolutely take a swipe at ps2 numbers for sure. Defiantly 130million plus



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AJNShelton on 19 December 2018

I don't think it will reach PS2 numbers. The PS2 is the Wii of the Sony consoles sales wise, it was there at the best time and appealed to the right audience, with almost no competition.



Intrinsic on 19 December 2018
Amnesia said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:
Switch now at about 9m sales for the fiscal year. Gonna need 9-10m more in 4 months for Nintendo's shipment goal. Still possible but cutting it uber close, Switch absolutely needs to sell 1m per week in December

No lol...It needs much more. Even with some strong 1,5M for december, plus my super optimiste projection of Q4, it would finish the fiscal year with ~19,5M.

 

 

If Smash doesn't produce a crazy and miraculous 2M next week for the worldwide sales report, I think the 20M will have lost every chances to happen.

This whole FY thing..... its just complicating things. Anyway........

So nintendo announced 20M shipment for the FY2018 - 2019 (Apr 2018- Mar 2019).

That doesnt mean they have to "sell" 20M consoles in in those 12 months. Just mean they have to ship that many.

Whatever the case you can expect there to always be around 1.5M to 2.5M NS consoles in the channels.

So question is.. for Q1 and Q2 how many consoles did they ship? 



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Keiji on 19 December 2018
SKMBlake said:
I don't think it will reach PS2 numbers. The PS2 is the Wii of the Sony consoles sales wise, it was there at the best time and appealed to the right audience, with almost no competition.



Panicradio on 19 December 2018
Intrinsic said:
Panicradio said:

Reportedly, in 2013 Sony had a $45 profit on each console sold when the PS4 was $399, yet alone comparing to manufacturing costs. That should be some reliable data to be able to find Sony's profit today. 

Source: https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1320199&image_number=1

I am from Germany, I don't think we've had any price tag just in the near of €199 since 2013. At least to me, Sony is still selling the PS4 at a above average price tag here, between €279 (not for the PRO, though) and €449 for bundles. The PRO, unless discounted, is still being sold between €349 and €399. And that's €.

Sony is probably making the best money right now.

 

EDIT and sort of correction of myself: Right now the two biggest retailers in Germany are selling the standalone 500GB Slim at €199, the standalone 1TB PRO (no bundle) at €299. But that's got to be the very first time I have ever seen it that low. 

From my most recent BOM assessment

  2013 PS4 TODAYs PS4
HDD $23 $16
BRDrive $25 $20
RAM $62 $28
APU $121 $55
Other $126 $75 - $100
TOTAL $357 $194 - $219

So yh, I guess its safe t assume sony is making alot of money on each unit right now.

It should be noted that at this point even the use of 7nm fabrication won't result in much of a drop. Thats because there are a number f things that just can't really et any lower. So 7nm will only bring about a further $40 or so price reduction (APU, Ram and Other will be the only things that et cheaper) which means the lowest price we may see of the PS4 is around $169 at some pint in the future. 

Thank you for that update on it. 🙂 So, then, approximately, Sony is still [only] making something between 45€ and 95€ profit on each standalone console being sold (not the PRO). But figuring profits from PSN subscriptions and at least from 1 game being sold along, well, yeah, Sony's revenue must be in good shape. 🙂 



Replicant on 19 December 2018
DonFerrari said:

And several good consoles have peaked on second or third full year, actually peaking on the 4th or 5th are rare occasions.

Nintendo's home consoles usually peak in their 2nd year while PlayStation home consoles usually peak in their 4th year.

N64 (2nd year peak)
Launch: 1996
Peak: 1998
Lifetime sales: 32.9M

Gamecube (2nd year peak)
Launch: 2001
Peak: 2003
Lifetime sales: 21.7M

Wii (2nd year peak)
Launch: 2006
Peak: 2008
Lifetime sales: 101.6M

Wii U (1st year peak)
Launch: 2012
Peak: 2013
Lifetime sales: 13.9M


PS1 (4th year peak)
Launch: 1994
Peak: 1998
Lifetime sales: 104.3M

PS2 (3rd year peak)
Launch: 2000
Peak: 2003
Lifetime sales: 157.7M

PS3 (5th year peak)
Launch: 2006
Peak: 2011
Lifetime sales: 86.9M

PS4 (4th year peak)
Launch: 2013
Peak: 2017
Lifetime sales: 100M+



DonFerrari on 19 December 2018
Intrinsic said:
Amnesia said:

No lol...It needs much more. Even with some strong 1,5M for december, plus my super optimiste projection of Q4, it would finish the fiscal year with ~19,5M.

 

 

If Smash doesn't produce a crazy and miraculous 2M next week for the worldwide sales report, I think the 20M will have lost every chances to happen.

This whole FY thing..... its just complicating things. Anyway........

So nintendo announced 20M shipment for the FY2018 - 2019 (Apr 2018- Mar 2019).

That doesnt mean they have to "sell" 20M consoles in in those 12 months. Just mean they have to ship that many.

Whatever the case you can expect there to always be around 1.5M to 2.5M NS consoles in the channels.

So question is.. for Q1 and Q2 how many consoles did they ship? 

Don't forget they already had the consoles in shelves for previous quarters on previous years. So there isn't a need to additional 2M sitting on shelves.

 

And @thread I remember when anyone suggesting PS4 could sell close to PS2 was ridiculed and counter with PS4 won't cross 100M perhaps not even 80M (won't even talk about the Sony will bankrupt, PS4 will be last and X1 dominating market with WiiU crossing 100M due to Wii popularity).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

AJNShelton on 19 December 2018
Keiji said:
SKMBlake said:
I don't think it will reach PS2 numbers. The PS2 is the Wii of the Sony consoles sales wise, it was there at the best time and appealed to the right audience, with almost no competition.

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