"....We don't want to set expectations really high and then not deliver on that...." #SONYE3-2018 LMFAO!!!

Still seeing "no way the PS5 hits in 2019, cause the PS4 is doing good and new game releases" comments.  I'm going to repost a section of a past post.

3rd party PS1 releases in 2000, the year the PS2 launched - Vagrant Story, NFS: Porche Unleashed, The Misadventures of Tron Bonne (Mega Man Legends spinoff), MK:SF, Threads of Fate, Strider 2, Chrono Cross, DQ VII, Spider-Man, TH's Pro Skater 2, Vampire Hunter D, Destruction Derby Raw, Donald Duck: GQ, Mega Man Legends 2, Capcom vs SNK: M 2000, Incredible Crisis, The World Is Not Enough, FFIX, The Emperor's New Groove, TR Chronicles, 007 Racing, Batman Beyond: ROTJ, Harvest Moon, Disney's Aladdin: NR, Evil Dead: HTTK,

Sony PS1 releases in 2000 - Wild Arms 2, Spyro: YOTD, Crash Bash

The PS1 also sold ~21M in 1999, the year before the PS2 launched.

Notable 3rd party PS2 releases in 2005, the year the PS3 was originally going to launch, and 2006 - Mercenaries: POD, Shadow of Rome, Xenosaga Ep II, FIFA Street, Tekken 5, Fight Night Rnd 2, DMC 3, MX vs ATV Unleashed, Timesplitters: FP, Dynasty Warriors 5, Splinter Cell: CT, Lego SW, Midnight Club 3, Psychonauts, Burnout Revenge, MK:SM, Indigo Prophecy, RE4, Soul Calibur 3, COD 2, SW Battlefront 2, Guitar Hero, NFS: MW, DQ VIII, Drakengard 2, MGS3: S, FFXII, KH 2, TR: Legends, Jaws Unleashed, Hitman: BM, DOC: FFVII, Disgaea 2, Xenosaga Ep III, Lego SW 2, Okami, Just Cause, Scarface, MK:A, Spyro: ANB, Bully, NFS:C, COD 3, Guitar Hero 2, TH Project 8

Sony PS2 releases in 2005 and 2006 - The Getaway: BM, MLB 2006, GOW, Rise of Kasai, Genji: DOTS, Sly 3, SOCOM 3, Jak X:CR, SOTC, Ratchet: Deadlocked, Ape Escape 3, Siren 2, MLB 06, SOCOM: CA, Ape Escape: MM

The PS2 also sold ~20M in 2005, the year before the PS3 launched.

Notable 3rd party PS3 releases in 2013, the year the PS4 launched - DmC, Ni no Kuni, Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, MG Rising, TR, Bioshock: I, Injustice, Dragon's Dogma: DA, Metro: LL, Grid 2, Deadpool, Dynasty Warriors 8, Dragon's Crown, Saint's Row IV, Splinter Cell: BL, FF XIV, Diablo 3, Rayman Legends, GTA V, Disgaea D2, Lego Marvel, Batman: AO, AC IV: BF, BF4, COD: Ghosts, XCOM, NFS: Rivals, Minecraft, TWD: S2

Sony PS3 releases in 2013 - Sly Cooper: TIT, MLB 13, GOW: A, TLOU, Puppeteer, Rain, Beyond: TS, R&C: ITN, GT6

Now, the sales argument doesn't quite work for PS3, as sales were starting to decline due to the length of the gen.  Though, using VGC's estimated sell-through of 13M+, we can guess shipments were still a respectable ~15M in 2012.

The point is, neither of those factors mean anything when it comes to when a console's predecessor will launch.  When an affordable chipset is developed/available that gives a generational jump, they will jump on it as soon as possible.  Sony usually waits 5-6 years before jumping, which 2019 would be 6 years.  They also have been working with Ryzen CPUs, which is obviously going into the PS5, definitely a generational leap.  And rumor has it Navi has been co-developed with, or at least made to meet requirements from, Sony.  Meaning that is what the PS5 will have.  Now, it will be possible that things don't go perfectly as planned and Sony has to wait until 2020 to launch.  However, I think if things actually do go according to plan, we will see a PS5 in late 2019.  They definitely want to strike while they are hot, while not giving MS a possible year headstart.

I don't see how PS4P compatibility is beneficial in any sense. It's a PS4 but original slimscant play the games. And it's not a PS5 which will make most wonder why they are even designed with next gen in mind.

PS5 will be PS5 only. PS4 games will be for all the hardware. Easier to implement without any issues from users.

And the DS situation arose from the lack of Sony interest. That is clearly not the case atm. Besides, nothing will stop FS from working with another publisher on a similar concept.

The only big-gun title that Sony released in 2000 for PS1 was Spyro. Insomniac has always been an independent studio though, so Sony had no control over when Spyro YotD released. 

We are talking about how Sony can't release a next gen console in 2019, because there are still so many big Sony developed or published 2019 PS4 games to come out. So including games from 2005 as part of the argument doesn't work. I can't think of a single heavy hitter game published by Sony in 2006 for the PS2. 

For 2013 PS3 just got TLoU for a big name game, developed or published by Sony. 

PS3 was around for seven years, and that's without a mid-gen refresh. PS4 should also be a seven year system, especially because the Pro exists. Sony doesn't care one bit about MS right now. They've crushed MS this gen, and have enough big exclusive developers to crush them for years to come. Even with 360 launching a year ahead, Sony still waited to put out PS3. PS1 and PS2 both had six years until the following system, but that was in a different era of tech. 

MS doesn't want to launch in 2019 because they already have the XB1X, that came out late 2017. 

OK so you are just going to Ignore God of war Ascension, and Gran Turismo 6 and go with An unproven new IP The Last Of Us which was not big name game before its release, nobody new how it would turn out as it was ND first game away from 3 uncharted games. So technically there were 2 big First party games for 2013 and an unknown new IP from ND.

Totally. And with the PS4 basically being a soft reboot of sorts towards hardware that is cheaper, more dev friendly and forward moving, the coming of the PS5 wont really be an issue.

At the end of the day, when PS5 launches Sony will have a 3 tier hardware system for a couple of years with PS4 being the cheapest, Pro being in the middle and PS5 being the most expensive one.

I would still expect some PS4 compatible games to release (like MLB will def do a year, if not 2 on PS4 when the PS5 version launches). PS4 becomes the cheap end model for current gen stuff, while PS5 is the higher end model for the next gen content.

PS doesn't have to compete because they have so much on the table already. MS have to build excitement for the xbox brand before their next console because they have been so soundly beaten this time and their first party has been rancid. Saying PS can't compete with MS is absolutely laughable, all MS have left is the mediocre looking Crackdown 3 and another Gears game.  It's amzing to me how little MS have to do to get so much credit. Two of the studios they bought had their last game not even reach 70 metacritic for gods sake

Still seeing "no way the PS5 hits in 2019, cause the PS4 is doing good and new game releases" comments.  I'm going to repost a section of a past post.

3rd party PS1 releases in 2000, the year the PS2 launched - Vagrant Story, NFS: Porche Unleashed, The Misadventures of Tron Bonne (Mega Man Legends spinoff), MK:SF, Threads of Fate, Strider 2, Chrono Cross, DQ VII, Spider-Man, TH's Pro Skater 2, Vampire Hunter D, Destruction Derby Raw, Donald Duck: GQ, Mega Man Legends 2, Capcom vs SNK: M 2000, Incredible Crisis, The World Is Not Enough, FFIX, The Emperor's New Groove, TR Chronicles, 007 Racing, Batman Beyond: ROTJ, Harvest Moon, Disney's Aladdin: NR, Evil Dead: HTTK,

Sony PS1 releases in 2000 - Wild Arms 2, Spyro: YOTD, Crash Bash

The PS1 also sold ~21M in 1999, the year before the PS2 launched.

Notable 3rd party PS2 releases in 2005, the year the PS3 was originally going to launch, and 2006 - Mercenaries: POD, Shadow of Rome, Xenosaga Ep II, FIFA Street, Tekken 5, Fight Night Rnd 2, DMC 3, MX vs ATV Unleashed, Timesplitters: FP, Dynasty Warriors 5, Splinter Cell: CT, Lego SW, Midnight Club 3, Psychonauts, Burnout Revenge, MK:SM, Indigo Prophecy, RE4, Soul Calibur 3, COD 2, SW Battlefront 2, Guitar Hero, NFS: MW, DQ VIII, Drakengard 2, MGS3: S, FFXII, KH 2, TR: Legends, Jaws Unleashed, Hitman: BM, DOC: FFVII, Disgaea 2, Xenosaga Ep III, Lego SW 2, Okami, Just Cause, Scarface, MK:A, Spyro: ANB, Bully, NFS:C, COD 3, Guitar Hero 2, TH Project 8

Sony PS2 releases in 2005 and 2006 - The Getaway: BM, MLB 2006, GOW, Rise of Kasai, Genji: DOTS, Sly 3, SOCOM 3, Jak X:CR, SOTC, Ratchet: Deadlocked, Ape Escape 3, Siren 2, MLB 06, SOCOM: CA, Ape Escape: MM

The PS2 also sold ~20M in 2005, the year before the PS3 launched.

Notable 3rd party PS3 releases in 2013, the year the PS4 launched - DmC, Ni no Kuni, Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, MG Rising, TR, Bioshock: I, Injustice, Dragon's Dogma: DA, Metro: LL, Grid 2, Deadpool, Dynasty Warriors 8, Dragon's Crown, Saint's Row IV, Splinter Cell: BL, FF XIV, Diablo 3, Rayman Legends, GTA V, Disgaea D2, Lego Marvel, Batman: AO, AC IV: BF, BF4, COD: Ghosts, XCOM, NFS: Rivals, Minecraft, TWD: S2

Sony PS3 releases in 2013 - Sly Cooper: TIT, MLB 13, GOW: A, TLOU, Puppeteer, Rain, Beyond: TS, R&C: ITN, GT6

Now, the sales argument doesn't quite work for PS3, as sales were starting to decline due to the length of the gen.  Though, using VGC's estimated sell-through of 13M+, we can guess shipments were still a respectable ~15M in 2012.

The point is, neither of those factors mean anything when it comes to when a console's predecessor will launch.  When an affordable chipset is developed/available that gives a generational jump, they will jump on it as soon as possible.  Sony usually waits 5-6 years before jumping, which 2019 would be 6 years.  They also have been working with Ryzen CPUs, which is obviously going into the PS5, definitely a generational leap.  And rumor has it Navi has been co-developed with, or at least made to meet requirements from, Sony.  Meaning that is what the PS5 will have.  Now, it will be possible that things don't go perfectly as planned and Sony has to wait until 2020 to launch.  However, I think if things actually do go according to plan, we will see a PS5 in late 2019.  They definitely want to strike while they are hot, while not giving MS a possible year headstart.