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o_O.Q said:
hilary clinton participated in the funding of al qaeda, the greatest threat to americans over the past few decades , that alone should have invalidated her presidential run

Lol, so where are your video and evidence of this statement.  Yes, I know you will show that Hillary stated that the US funded Al Qaeda during the Reagan years but where is your evidence that She continued to fund them during the present day.  Because you made this statement I looked deep into it.  One thing I noticed from the sites that are preaching this is that they take the snips from what Hillary has said and then try to tie it to present day which of course she never says that or make that connection.  Also during those snips, I noticed that you never see the whole video.  You only get  the snips of what she says but never the question that was asked or Hillary full statements or any follow up questions to that point.

Anyone with any kind of common sense knows that when you only clip the parts you want to use to support your stance its manipulation.  Its a tired tactic still used today because its effective when people do not do their own research.  Its done because it works for the lazy and if you already had a negative opinion it will give you justification without doing any work.

So I ask you, give us the proof of your statement but not the clipped version of that speech, instead the whole video so that we can see where you get your evidence of your claim.



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o_O.Q said:
hilary clinton participated in the funding of al qaeda, the greatest threat to americans over the past few decades , that alone should have invalidated her presidential run

Care to send some proofs about that?



jason1637 said: 

At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.

US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorised campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

This is sad to see. A US President not standing up for the interest of his own country that he leads and supporting an enemy. He also has attacked US allies in the EU and NATO last week. Sad!y under the bus

Holy fucking shit this thread. Some of the excuses being trotted out make my head spin. So many terrible posts, even one or two from a mod. As a Canadian, I see America has never been more divided. Today, Trump gets gangbanged on stage by the Russians and throws his country under the bus. Tomorrow? Who knows what he'll do next. This shitshow is at least fun to watch. 



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John2290 said:
If he stands up for the interests of your country (immigration, job outscourcing, weak trade deals), you people attack him. If he takes the hit to his ego with simple and effective way of easing international tensions, caused by leftist media you attack him. He can't win and noone against him cares either way, they'd rather see their country burn and their lives destroyed than side with their leader and support him for the benefit of everyone and the international state of affairs. It's pathetic at this point.

You do know there is a difference between standing up for something and bungling it.  Yes, immigration, job outsourcing and weak trade deals are all good things to tackle.  Taking kids at the boarder without having any means to bring them back to their parents equal shit job.  Job outsourcing would be great, give incentives to keep them within the US but then you throw tariffs around without understanding the full cost and it forces other companies to guess what, outsource.  Weak trade deals, ok, how does he handle that.  We go to the tariffs again, which for some reason his administration believe no one would retaliate.  Next, he publicly throws everyone he needs to negotiate with under the bus but forget these same people will be the one he needs to make deals with.  This is the same situation where he throws McCain under the bus but forgot that he could be instrumental in getting a piece of legislation through congress like that piece of crap healthcare bill.

So yes, people attack him because he is an idiot.  Just because he support things just about every president support doesn't mean he has a clue to understanding how to achieve it.  As one other person put it, Trump is a bull in the China shop but he is in our shop tearing everything down without knowing the value or a way to repair the damage.  Trump is that friend you know from the bar, who has all these wonderful ideals in his head but he would never be a person you would want to run the presidency because he is an idiot.  

Maybe if Trump would stop and think about things first and maybe devise a plan from start to finish he would not look unprepared, sloppy, uneducated and a complete moron every time he attempts to do something worthy of credit.



John2290 said:
If he stands up for the interests of your country (immigration, job outscourcing, weak trade deals), you people attack him. 

Beloved Leader's methodology is always Epic Level Incompetence. 

Incompetence always merits criticism, therefore Beloved Leader is always attacked.

It's a simple calculus.  



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o_O.Q said:

lol am i really seeing posts in here stating that we need to trust the CIA, FBI and MSM?????

lets do a quick recap

 

madeline albright by the way recently criticised trump over his treatment of children and was featured on jimmy kimmel

 

 

jesus christ wake the f up

trump is a bull in a china shop and the ignorant or otherwise supporters of the deep state cannot handle that

trump is exactly what is needed, a masculine confrontational man to shake things up and run the cockroaches out from the shadows for everyone to see

hilary clinton started the birther movement btw according to morning joe even though the msm have been calling trump a racist for starting it

Well your President backtracked and said he now does.



o_O.Q said:

lol am i really seeing posts in here stating that we need to trust the CIA, FBI and MSM?????

lets do a quick recap

 

madeline albright by the way recently criticised trump over his treatment of children and was featured on jimmy kimmel

 

 

jesus christ wake the f up

trump is a bull in a china shop and the ignorant or otherwise supporters of the deep state cannot handle that

trump is exactly what is needed, a masculine confrontational man to shake things up and run the cockroaches out from the shadows for everyone to see

hilary clinton started the birther movement btw according to morning joe even though the msm have been calling trump a racist for starting it

We should trust them more than Russia.



Machiavellian said:
massimus said:
He had a bad press conference, why are people acting like this is an impeachable offense? And why are people complimenting Putin? All he did was laugh at the stupid press questions. Trump did bad because of Trump, Putin didn’t do anything lol. Putin is a boss? What the fuck is that about?

That was not bad it was embarrassing.  For someone who is being investigated for making deals with another foreign nation to gain the presidency, how can that press conference look good in any way.  So yes, it appeared that he went into a private meeting with another foreign leader we have accused of attacking the US and came out of it prasing that leader and throwing all of our intelligence agency under the bus.  People are complimenting Putin for a master class in political maneuvering because of the outcome of that whole event broadcast around the world for everyone to see.  He pretty much used Trump as a puppet, made Trump look foolish and weak on the world stage after all the bluster he did at NATO and laughed at the press because its always funny when you have their own president by the balls and there is nothing you can do about it.  Putin doesn't have to say anything when you have Trump saying it all.  That is the master puppeteer.  To even come on the board and try to defend that performance and make it anything less that the absolute Fup shows that anything Trump does you are quick to dismiss.

The worst part was that complete strained walkback on Tuesday which was even more embarrassing.  It's as if Trump's people think the general public is stupid.  As if one word was the only thing people had an issue with in that cringe worthy press conference.  Next you have the tweets afterward where he pretty much walks back on his walk back.  Its the classic Trump where he loves to throw out confusing messages and let people like you choose how to view it and defend what he has done.  Trump supporters become the Trump listeners for the world as you interpret the nonsense he throws out and try to make it appear everyone else just do not understand.  

LOL Putin didn’t do shit, he’s an asshole. Wow such class. You hate Trump so much you would hype that midget dictator? No putin laughed because the questions were MORONIC lmao. Master puppeteer, what a joke. I didn’t defend the performance, check what I said a few pages ago...... I just asked why people think a shitty press conference is an impeachable offense and why people are hyping up the asshole who didn’t do anything lol.

 

Most of them think we are stupid. This press conference is the last thing I would use as proof of that. They think we are as ignorant as they are, most people in DC. Good he should walk them back. I didn’t defend what he did dummy. He is what I wrote a few pages ago.

 

massimus said: 
After watching it, Trump did come off as a bitch. That was disappointing. I highly doubt it’s because of dirt or some other conspiracy bullshit but there is no excuse. A few of the high ranking people in these agencies are sleaze but there is nothing wrong with the rank and file. The FBI as an institution is solid for the most part. I don’t care how bad these higher scumbags are and how stupid the press questions are, don’t side with Putin over your own house. Domestic problems are domestic.

Im just asking how this “embarrassing” conference is relevant in any way to impeachment. People act like this is finally it, we finally got him! No lol.... and to hype up that asshole putin just because you hate trump lol, it’s pathetic. Master class lmao! He isn’t shit, he didn’t do shit. It’s laughable.



massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

That was not bad it was embarrassing.  For someone who is being investigated for making deals with another foreign nation to gain the presidency, how can that press conference look good in any way.  So yes, it appeared that he went into a private meeting with another foreign leader we have accused of attacking the US and came out of it prasing that leader and throwing all of our intelligence agency under the bus.  People are complimenting Putin for a master class in political maneuvering because of the outcome of that whole event broadcast around the world for everyone to see.  He pretty much used Trump as a puppet, made Trump look foolish and weak on the world stage after all the bluster he did at NATO and laughed at the press because its always funny when you have their own president by the balls and there is nothing you can do about it.  Putin doesn't have to say anything when you have Trump saying it all.  That is the master puppeteer.  To even come on the board and try to defend that performance and make it anything less that the absolute Fup shows that anything Trump does you are quick to dismiss.

The worst part was that complete strained walkback on Tuesday which was even more embarrassing.  It's as if Trump's people think the general public is stupid.  As if one word was the only thing people had an issue with in that cringe worthy press conference.  Next you have the tweets afterward where he pretty much walks back on his walk back.  Its the classic Trump where he loves to throw out confusing messages and let people like you choose how to view it and defend what he has done.  Trump supporters become the Trump listeners for the world as you interpret the nonsense he throws out and try to make it appear everyone else just do not understand.  

LOL Putin didn’t do shit, he’s an asshole. Wow such class. You hate Trump so much you would hype that midget dictator? No putin laughed because the questions were MORONIC lmao. Master puppeteer, what a joke. I didn’t defend the performance, check what I said a few pages ago...... I just asked why people think a shitty press conference is an impeachable offense and why people are hyping up the asshole who didn’t do anything lol.

 

Most of them think we are stupid. This press conference is the last thing I would use as proof of that. They think we are as ignorant as they are, most people in DC. Good he should walk them back. I didn’t defend what he did dummy. He is what I wrote a few pages ago.

 

massimus said: 
After watching it, Trump did come off as a bitch. That was disappointing. I highly doubt it’s because of dirt or some other conspiracy bullshit but there is no excuse. A few of the high ranking people in these agencies are sleaze but there is nothing wrong with the rank and file. The FBI as an institution is solid for the most part. I don’t care how bad these higher scumbags are and how stupid the press questions are, don’t side with Putin over your own house. Domestic problems are domestic.

Im just asking how this “embarrassing” conference is relevant in any way to impeachment. People act like this is finally it, we finally got him! No lol.... and to hype up that asshole putin just because you hate trump lol, it’s pathetic. Master class lmao! He isn’t shit, he didn’t do shit. It’s laughable.

So the reason why impeachment is being presented should be obvious.  Trump is the president of the US and he was given just like any President all the information we have on Russia attack on the 2016 elections.  There is no dispute of any of this information from any of the agencies, white house staff, Congress, you name it.  It's the whole reason why he had to walk back his statement because it's not something under discussion or up in the air any more.  During that Press conference, Trump threw that info away and publically put blame to the US for Russia attack.  So yes, people in all corners of the government who are privy to that information is calling what Trump did treasonous and right up there with impeachable act.  Knowing Trump character, you know he absolutely hates have to admit he is ever wrong.  For him to retract all that crap he said on Monday was a complete blunder and he knew it because there isn't any dispute about the evidence we have that Putin himself order the interference. 

Now, lets address this continued projection you have that people who believe Trump is an idiot must hate him.  I continue to laugh at that line you throw out all the time.  I continue to wonder why I must hate Trump to believe he is a complete idiot.  

As for Putin, yes, Master class puppeteer he must be.  When you have the President of another nation with full evidence of your crime against them and you have him go on national TV and lie for you and in the same process basically throw his government and his people under the bus to make you look good, if that isn't master class I do not know what is.  You can laugh all you want but you can also be sure Putin is right there with you as he embarrased Trump in front of everyone and now he has to pick up the pieces.  I do not know, you either call Trump a complete idiot or you give props to Putin for making Trump look like a complete idiot.  You cannot have it both ways.  



jason1637 said:
o_O.Q said:

lol am i really seeing posts in here stating that we need to trust the CIA, FBI and MSM?????

lets do a quick recap

 

madeline albright by the way recently criticised trump over his treatment of children and was featured on jimmy kimmel

 

 

jesus christ wake the f up

trump is a bull in a china shop and the ignorant or otherwise supporters of the deep state cannot handle that

trump is exactly what is needed, a masculine confrontational man to shake things up and run the cockroaches out from the shadows for everyone to see

hilary clinton started the birther movement btw according to morning joe even though the msm have been calling trump a racist for starting it

We should trust them more than Russia.

lmao you trust the people who sold drugs to your children? then have the gall to arrest them for possession?

who sent your children to die in the god forsaken sands of iraq or lybia or syria to murder other children because of lies?

who have and continue to rob you of your money through the taxes you pay to fund your enemies?

are you messing with me right now?