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Pemalite said:

The base Xbox one will still likely be able to play next-gen games, but in a significantly reduced manner.
It happened with the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.

And it happened in the console generation prior to that.

That depends, are you looking at it in the latest hardware aspect? Because like i mentioned before, not all PC gamers run games on the latest hardware, meaning alot of games still come out optimised for low end PCs. 

If the X goes the PC gen route than no one will be expecting the X to run the games identical to next gen systems, that also depends how far ahead next gen consoles will be in power.. remembering there most likely going to aim for the sweet spot in terms of price so how much are they going to invest into the power?

Look at the Switch compared to a X1 and PS4, it runs there games and its probably alot harder to do considering the Switch is also a different machine. We are referring to the Next Xbox which will most likely use DX, UWP, X86 and keeping it close to PCs so porting will most likely be even easier than the current ports to Switch.

The X is already designed ahead of its time and we can assume cutting its visuals in the resolution from 4k to 1080p already boosts the preformance bracket by the X immensely.

The CPU is an interesting topic but will wait and see i guess. Like I said not all PC gamers are running the latest Intel or AMD CPUs. I think Sea of Thieves was designed to run on a i3 CPU..

Anyway its all speculation and rumours. Either way they go it will be interesting.



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Azzanation said:

That depends, are you looking at it in the latest hardware aspect? Because like i mentioned before, not all PC gamers run games on the latest hardware, meaning alot of games still come out optimised for low end PCs.

That is also one of the PC's strong points.
The same argument was leveraged last generation when Playstation 4 gamers were arguing that same very argument as the PC didn't have 8GB of GDDR5 Ram... History of course tells a different story.

Azzanation said:

If the X goes the PC gen route than no one will be expecting the X to run the games identical to next gen systems, that also depends how far ahead next gen consoles will be in power.. remembering there most likely going to aim for the sweet spot in terms of price so how much are they going to invest into the power?

Look at the Switch compared to a X1 and PS4, it runs there games and its probably alot harder to do considering the Switch is also a different machine. We are referring to the Next Xbox which will most likely use DX, UWP, X86 and keeping it close to PCs so porting will most likely be even easier than the current ports to Switch.


The ports to Switch tend to be extremely downgraded experiences on the visual and performance front, developers actually have to put a shit ton of time and effort to get their games to an acceptable state... Case in point: Doom 2016.

 

Azzanation said:

The X is already designed ahead of its time and we can assume cutting its visuals in the resolution from 4k to 1080p already boosts the preformance bracket by the X immensely.

It most certainly is not ahead of it's time.
The bulk of it's extra capabilities is being spent primarily on framerates and resolution... All the Xbox One does is catch the consoles up a little towards a mid-range PC.
The Xbox One X is very much mid-range in terms of GPU capabilities, low-end in terms of CPU capabilities.

However... They also spent a ton of budget on the cooling, power delivery and the DRAM... There are more cost efficient and viable options for a successor to the Xbox One X's soc available today.

Azzanation said:

The CPU is an interesting topic but will wait and see i guess. Like I said not all PC gamers are running the latest Intel or AMD CPUs.

The PC tends to primarily leverage high-level abstraction layers which mitigates those issues, consoles are a mixed bag on that front... With most games targeting low-level API's that are closer to the metal for optimal performance.


Azzanation said:

 I think Sea of Thieves was designed to run on a i3 CPU..

Irrelevant? That tells us nothing of the intrinsic instructions a CPU holds as the "Core i3" spans from Nahelem right up to Coffee Lake, that's almost a decade right there.

Azzanation said:

Anyway its all speculation and rumours. Either way they go it will be interesting.

Indeed.



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Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:

And you acting superior... Will CGI have to call you again?

Yes X360 and PS3 were able to handle PORTS because devs done it. PS2 could run Fifa 14, and if dev wanted they could make Fifa 18 on PS2.

Still show you that the fact that console sold 10M isn't guarantee that they will keep supporting it (160M PS2 were dropped as well), it doesn't have to do only with similar architeture. MS talk about being generationless and X1X keeping support for next gen is same as X1 (unless you want MS to go back on their promise that X1 and X1X will have same games) cross-gen will go there as it have always been, but your premise is that they will keep getting on X1X even after crossgen is no more, for which you have no evidence.

But I sure love all your technical knowledge, which you have shown plenty on this thread, and the slider to downscale games will solve everything very easy and fine.

Don, you seem very confused on the matter. Do you know what No generation Leaps mean?

Example - Those 5m X1X owners can still play next gen games however those games will be downscaled much like how PC games have settings that get lowered to play on older hardware.

Also devs wont need to accommodate for the X if its compatible with next gen meaning basically they just release next gen games and they quickly port it over to X with very little effort (eg DX12). Those 5m sales add onto the next gen sales of the X2 which will add more gamers availble to play the games in the ecosystem.

If you still dont understand, in other words the X sales will count as X2 sales. 

Thats if MS go that route, theres no comfirmation they will, however no gen leaps and MS releasing a X2 upgrade sounds more likely to me.

Preformance isnt the issue with the X, it will be all about the compatibility, X2 will most likely use UWP, DX12 and X86 which will mean X1 and X2 can talk the same language.

Whats CGI got to do with our debate? Haha *scratches head*

You mean no more generation?

Which 5M X1X owners are you talking about? Have you already gone to the release of X2 to know how many X1X would have been sold up that time? And as I told you, MS promised that all the games running on X1X would run on X1, so unless they break that promise the cross gen would support not only X1X but also X1... and cross gen have been a thing on the market so a very long time.

But that isn't what no generation means. As you put PC. They don't make a port for last gen PC, they make a PC game with several options that your machine may or may not be able to play. So any "no gen" Xbox game would need to be the same, you put the same game on X1, X1X and X2 and it will run. Making a port for X1 or X1X of X2 games isn't generation-less, is just cross gen.

If you don't know what CGI would have to do with it, them you are even more lost than I would think.

But keep thinking that this supposed 5M X1X HW sales would be much relevant next gen.



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Pemalite said: 
Azzanation said:

 I think Sea of Thieves was designed to run on a i3 CPU..

Irrelevant? That tells us nothing of the intrinsic instructions a CPU holds as the "Core i3" spans from Nahelem right up to Coffee Lake, that's almost a decade right there.

Azzanation said:

Anyway its all speculation and rumours. Either way they go it will be interesting.

Indeed.

Sea of Thieves can run on a Intel Iris Pro 6200 or 540 as mentioned in the article below, I don't know much about those processors but it seems to be claimed as recommended to run SOTs at 540p @ 30frames. 

https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/13/17009108/sea-of-thieves-pc-system-requirements

Ill be looking forward to seeing what all brands offer in tech. Especially there directions.

DonFerrari said:

You mean no more generation?

Which 5M X1X owners are you talking about? Have you already gone to the release of X2 to know how many X1X would have been sold up that time? And as I told you, MS promised that all the games running on X1X would run on X1, so unless they break that promise the cross gen would support not only X1X but also X1... and cross gen have been a thing on the market so a very long time.

But that isn't what no generation means. As you put PC. They don't make a port for last gen PC, they make a PC game with several options that your machine may or may not be able to play. So any "no gen" Xbox game would need to be the same, you put the same game on X1, X1X and X2 and it will run. Making a port for X1 or X1X of X2 games isn't generation-less, is just cross gen.

If you don't know what CGI would have to do with it, them you are even more lost than I would think.

But keep thinking that this supposed 5M X1X HW sales would be much relevant next gen.

This topic between us is going no where and I still think you have no idea how No Generations work. You still consider it an effort and a chore to make games on a platform which is using the no generation method. Generation leaps is why it becomes hard and a chore to make games work on older hardware, the reason PC works so well is because there isn't gen leaps, everything just carried over and plays even on old PC hardware.

Now its all speculation, no one is claiming MS will go this way, there all rumours, but if they do go that route than the next Xbox will be a advanced version of the X which will mean easy compatibility for X and Next Xbox owners. There next Xbox might only be a slight leap in power from the X, who knows.

I still have no idea why you are bringing a mod into our conversations.. so ill end it now. I have other things to be doing then debating with someone that seems to be sliding off topic arguments into a simple thread.

Enjoy.

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HoloDust said:

Um...Scarlet...not Scarlett


AMD Ryzen enso circle logo going from red to orange.

"Scarlet is a brilliant red color with a tinge of orange. In the spectrum of visible light, and on the traditional color wheel, it is one-quarter of the way between red and orange".



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Nautilus said:
I feel li8ke they didnt need to mention that, since its obvious that the big three are constantly developing the next console, but ok.

I believe they did this to put the final nail in the coffen for all those who believed Xbox was going under or being sold off. 

Its like they needed to get that rumour off there chest and by not only bolstering there 1st party lineup by double there studio counts, they also announced there future console which goes well in conjunction with there recent investments. 

Not only does Xbox have 5 new studios, they have a future platform for them to dish out whatever exclusives are on there plates.



I probably won't get the PS5/Xbox 2 as I expect there won't be a significant graphical leap going from the PS4 Pro to the PS5.
While not on a total hyper realistic scale, we as gamers can say beyond reasonable deniability that we've officially reached the point where visual rendering and character models look like real people, especially regarding faces.

Aloy (HZD) looks like a real person, they near perfectly re-created Kevin Spacey for Advanced Warfare, Kratos looks like a real person, etc etc etc... I'm fully aware the 7nm tech will be of great benefit, but as far as visuals go - I think we've hit a wall. I don't know where everyone else started their gaming hobby, but I've come a LOOOOONG way since the Super Nintendo... I'll be 32 years old when the PS5 lands (assuming it's Q4 2022 release date) and I can whole heartedly say that, once the PS5's software matures and takes full of advantage of it's hardware, video game visuals will have absolutely peaked in it's current entertainment form. (TV + Console + Controller)

This is why I agree with Ubisofts prediction that after the PS5 and Microsofts equivalent has had it's run, the two companies and maybe Nintendo as well will have adopted a streaming service. Im reaching the age where I have to put video games behind me, and wthin the next 2 - 3 years will probably be the best time to do so considering the circumstances on where consoles are going.

Oh and yeah, I also want to get out of gaming before forced diversity, politics, and loot boxes completely ruin my hobby. That too. And judgement by the climate - that time is extremely f***ing nigh...



I don't get the fuss. Even if they release new XB next year, at that point the XB1 will be on the market for 6 years and their latest revision will hit its second birthday. These are all reasonable time frames. If we're talking 2020, then it will be no different from 360's life span.



TranceformerFX said:

I probably won't get the PS5/Xbox 2 as I expect there won't be a significant graphical leap going from the PS4 Pro to the PS5.
While not on a total hyper realistic scale, we as gamers can say beyond reasonable deniability that we've officially reached the point where visual rendering and character models look like real people, especially regarding faces.

Aloy (HZD) looks like a real person, they near perfectly re-created Kevin Spacey for Advanced Warfare, Kratos looks like a real person, etc etc etc... I'm fully aware the 7nm tech will be of great benefit, but as far as visuals go - I think we've hit a wall. I don't know where everyone else started their gaming hobby, but I've come a LOOOOONG way since the Super Nintendo... I'll be 32 years old when the PS5 lands (assuming it's Q4 2022 release date) and I can whole heartedly say that, once the PS5's software matures and takes full of advantage of it's hardware, video game visuals will have absolutely peaked in it's current entertainment form. (TV + Console + Controller)

This is why I agree with Ubisofts prediction that after the PS5 and Microsofts equivalent has had it's run, the two companies and maybe Nintendo as well will have adopted a streaming service. Im reaching the age where I have to put video games behind me, and wthin the next 2 - 3 years will probably be the best time to do so considering the circumstances on where consoles are going.

Oh and yeah, I also want to get out of gaming before forced diversity, politics, and loot boxes completely ruin my hobby. That too. And judgement by the climate - that time is extremely f***ing nigh...

If the PS5 sells another 100M+, why the heck would Sony not make a PS6? Until console sales for the top console drops below 50M, we'll still see consoles.

As for the last part, SJWs have been fought off before in this industry. Several times, in fact. You don't keep them out by just giving up. That's how they get their way. 



Azzanation said:

Its like they needed to get that rumour off there chest and by not only bolstering there 1st party lineup by double there studio counts, they also announced there future console which goes well in conjunction with there recent investments. 

Not only does Xbox have 5 new studios, they have a future platform for them to dish out whatever exclusives are on there plates.

I highly doubt we are going to see a drastic increase in the number of exclusives.
I am happy to be proven wrong of course.

We just have to keep in mind that a few of the studio purchases were already making exclusives.

thismeintiel said:

As for the last part, SJWs have been fought off before in this industry. Several times, in fact. You don't keep them out by just giving up. That's how they get their way. 

Let's not turn this political if we can help it please, save it for another thread.



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