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How Much Will Solo Make WW?

Under $700M 56 60.87%
 
$700M-$800M 18 19.57%
 
$801M-$900M 12 13.04%
 
$901M-$1B 3 3.26%
 
Over $1B 3 3.26%
 
Total:92
Soundwave on 04 June 2018
Nem said:
Soundwave said:
Expecting $750-$800 mill for TLJ is a bit laughably high in expectation, don't you think?

Avengers: Infinity War is probably not even going to hit $700 million, let alone $750 mill.

Star Wars doesn't have that kind of pull without massive build-up/hype for 10+ years that makes the movie a special event. The second chapter of a Star Wars usually has a 30%+ drop from the opening chapter, the big reason is "normal people" don't need to see the second chapter.

Also no Harrison Ford and good luck ... you're stuck with a galaxy full of overrated characters in terms of modern audience appeal. Just because Star Wars fans think having a cool lightsaber and a pony tail makes an awesome character alone doesn't mean the general average film viewer who is OK with Star Wars but isn't fanatical about it is going to care that much to watch a middle chapter of a Star Wars trilogy multiple times (which is basically the only way to hit $700 mill or more).

 

Umm... i'm not disagreeing with the point, but do you mean domesticly in the US? Because TLJ did above 1billion and infinity war is close to hitting 2 billion. Also, you just need to go on youtube to find out that Star Wars fans have been up in arms for quite a while about the social agendas being pushed into the movies and the disregard for the source material. Solo is the culmination of that. There is/was a boycott campaign for the movie from fans. I can only hope Disney takes action after the flop and removes Kathleen Kennedy. It might even already be too late. The woman has ruined the SW brand and is gonna leave Disney with a dud of an aquisition.

I'm talking domestically, the guy above was saying he expected $750-$800 million domestic for TLJ which is laughably unrealistic. Avengers Infinity War is not even going to hit $700 million domestic and that basically is the climax of 10 years of work by Marvel. Black Panther might be able to inch its way to $700 mill. 

"Star Wars fans" are not one monolithic group, lots of "Star Wars fans" liked the last movie, some liked Solo, some didn't like Rogue One, some like the prequels, some hate the prequels, etc. etc. Basically the only thing they agree on is that Empire Strikes Back is a good movie, that's about the only universal thing consensus Star Wars have. The fact is The Force Awakens and Rogue One were massive successes with female leads and diverse casts.  I don't think anyone is dumb enough to argue that. 

Solo is underperforming, but it has a more "traditional" cast and really no political message at all. So there's that too. 

The Last Jedi performed at about 65% of The Force Awakens. Empire did about 69% of A New Hope. Attack of the Clones did 65% of The Phantom Menace. For Special Edition release in 1997, Empire didn't less than 50% of A New Hope. So the second chapter having lower box office is really nothing new for Star Wars. 

People need to understand something too, outside of the Star Wars nerd fanbase, the "regular joe" audience isn't as fanatical about Star Wars. They like it, but don't live and breathe and die with it, they'd be just as happy watching Marvel or even Fast & Furious film (moreso in some cases). The first new Star Wars movie in 15+ years is an event. The 3rd one in 3 straight years that isn't a finale is not an event anymore. It's optional viewing for a lot of people. That's something Star Wars fans have no concept of though because they take the whole damn thing way too seriously. 



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Nem on 04 June 2018
Soundwave said:
Nem said:

 

Umm... i'm not disagreeing with the point, but do you mean domesticly in the US? Because TLJ did above 1billion and infinity war is close to hitting 2 billion. Also, you just need to go on youtube to find out that Star Wars fans have been up in arms for quite a while about the social agendas being pushed into the movies and the disregard for the source material. Solo is the culmination of that. There is/was a boycott campaign for the movie from fans. I can only hope Disney takes action after the flop and removes Kathleen Kennedy. It might even already be too late. The woman has ruined the SW brand and is gonna leave Disney with a dud of an aquisition.

I'm talking domestically, the guy above was saying he expected $750-$800 million domestic for TLJ which is laughably unrealistic. Avengers Infinity War is not even going to hit $700 million domestic and that basically is the climax of 10 years of work by Marvel. Black Panther might be able to inch its way to $700 mill. 

"Star Wars fans" are not one monolithic group, lots of "Star Wars fans" liked the last movie, some liked Solo, some didn't like Rogue One, some like the prequels, some hate the prequels, etc. etc. Basically the only thing they agree on is that Empire Strikes Back is a good movie, that's about the only universal thing consensus Star Wars have. The fact is The Force Awakens and Rogue One were massive successes with female leads and diverse casts.  I don't think anyone is dumb enough to argue that. 

Solo is underperforming, but it has a more "traditional" cast and really no political message at all. So there's that too. 

The Last Jedi performed at about 65% of The Force Awakens. Empire did about 69% of A New Hope. Attack of the Clones did 65% of The Phantom Menace. For Special Edition release in 1997, Empire didn't less than 50% of A New Hope. So the second chapter having lower box office is really nothing new for Star Wars. 

People need to understand something too, outside of the Star Wars nerd fanbase, the "regular joe" audience isn't as fanatical about Star Wars. They like it, but don't live and breathe and die with it, they'd be just as happy watching Marvel or even Fast & Furious film (moreso in some cases). The first new Star Wars movie in 15+ years is an event. The 3rd one in 3 straight years that isn't a finale is not an event anymore. It's optional viewing for a lot of people. That's something Star Wars fans have no concept of though because they take the whole damn thing way too seriously. 

 

You know... the thing is you say Star wars fans are not of the same mind, but then proceed to make assertions of what Star wars fans as a whole think. It's a tad weird. But, the social agendas are not all, and imo are not the biggest problem. The disregard for the source material is. I could say that the biggest problem is that the new trilogy tries to cut with the past completely, like people don't like the "old" Star wars. It's pretty arrogant. I do think that the main series performance is declining at a similar rate, but there is a very vocal collective distaste of the new trilogy. As for Solo, i don't think it's because of fatigue. Marvel releases 3 movies a year and they do great. It's that the new Star wars movies are failing to captivate audiences in the same way. They clearly don't feel invested enough that they need to watch Solo. Added to that theres the Boycott and fan outcry. I don't think this is business as usual. The film flopped and the person who keeps firing directors left and center cause she obviously wants the creative lead is Kathleen Kennedy. She needs to go. Someone who is passionate about the source material has to come in. Not someone who wants to throw it in the trash. Sorry for the formatting. The text editor isn't working properly on the wii u. Last edited by Nem - on 04 June 2018

tiffac on 04 June 2018

I think the attack on the fans were just bad, wether it was justified or not. Without the hardcore fans, no one is going to pull in the casuals to watch, especially for a spin off.



Maxosaurus-rex on 04 June 2018
Soundwave said:
Nem said:

 

Umm... i'm not disagreeing with the point, but do you mean domesticly in the US? Because TLJ did above 1billion and infinity war is close to hitting 2 billion. Also, you just need to go on youtube to find out that Star Wars fans have been up in arms for quite a while about the social agendas being pushed into the movies and the disregard for the source material. Solo is the culmination of that. There is/was a boycott campaign for the movie from fans. I can only hope Disney takes action after the flop and removes Kathleen Kennedy. It might even already be too late. The woman has ruined the SW brand and is gonna leave Disney with a dud of an aquisition.

I'm talking domestically, the guy above was saying he expected $750-$800 million domestic for TLJ which is laughably unrealistic. Avengers Infinity War is not even going to hit $700 million domestic and that basically is the climax of 10 years of work by Marvel. Black Panther might be able to inch its way to $700 mill. 

"Star Wars fans" are not one monolithic group, lots of "Star Wars fans" liked the last movie, some liked Solo, some didn't like Rogue One, some like the prequels, some hate the prequels, etc. etc. Basically the only thing they agree on is that Empire Strikes Back is a good movie, that's about the only universal thing consensus Star Wars have. The fact is The Force Awakens and Rogue One were massive successes with female leads and diverse casts.  I don't think anyone is dumb enough to argue that. 

Solo is underperforming, but it has a more "traditional" cast and really no political message at all. So there's that too. 

The Last Jedi performed at about 65% of The Force Awakens. Empire did about 69% of A New Hope. Attack of the Clones did 65% of The Phantom Menace. For Special Edition release in 1997, Empire didn't less than 50% of A New Hope. So the second chapter having lower box office is really nothing new for Star Wars. 

People need to understand something too, outside of the Star Wars nerd fanbase, the "regular joe" audience isn't as fanatical about Star Wars. They like it, but don't live and breathe and die with it, they'd be just as happy watching Marvel or even Fast & Furious film (moreso in some cases). The first new Star Wars movie in 15+ years is an event. The 3rd one in 3 straight years that isn't a finale is not an event anymore. It's optional viewing for a lot of people. That's something Star Wars fans have no concept of though because they take the whole damn thing way too seriously. 

Attack of the clones is regarded as the worst movie in the franchise. Comparing the two is trivial. And there was a cultural shift in movie going between the first two. Comparing the two is trivial  

As for domestic expectations, SW is a stronger performer in the US. Comparing it to IW is trivial.

 

Your point is moot



thismeintiel on 04 June 2018
Soundwave said:
Nem said:

 

Umm... i'm not disagreeing with the point, but do you mean domesticly in the US? Because TLJ did above 1billion and infinity war is close to hitting 2 billion. Also, you just need to go on youtube to find out that Star Wars fans have been up in arms for quite a while about the social agendas being pushed into the movies and the disregard for the source material. Solo is the culmination of that. There is/was a boycott campaign for the movie from fans. I can only hope Disney takes action after the flop and removes Kathleen Kennedy. It might even already be too late. The woman has ruined the SW brand and is gonna leave Disney with a dud of an aquisition.

I'm talking domestically, the guy above was saying he expected $750-$800 million domestic for TLJ which is laughably unrealistic. Avengers Infinity War is not even going to hit $700 million domestic and that basically is the climax of 10 years of work by Marvel. Black Panther might be able to inch its way to $700 mill. 

"Star Wars fans" are not one monolithic group, lots of "Star Wars fans" liked the last movie, some liked Solo, some didn't like Rogue One, some like the prequels, some hate the prequels, etc. etc. Basically the only thing they agree on is that Empire Strikes Back is a good movie, that's about the only universal thing consensus Star Wars have. The fact is The Force Awakens and Rogue One were massive successes with female leads and diverse casts.  I don't think anyone is dumb enough to argue that. 

Solo is underperforming, but it has a more "traditional" cast and really no political message at all. So there's that too. 

The Last Jedi performed at about 65% of The Force Awakens. Empire did about 69% of A New Hope. Attack of the Clones did 65% of The Phantom Menace. For Special Edition release in 1997, Empire didn't less than 50% of A New Hope. So the second chapter having lower box office is really nothing new for Star Wars. 

People need to understand something too, outside of the Star Wars nerd fanbase, the "regular joe" audience isn't as fanatical about Star Wars. They like it, but don't live and breathe and die with it, they'd be just as happy watching Marvel or even Fast & Furious film (moreso in some cases). The first new Star Wars movie in 15+ years is an event. The 3rd one in 3 straight years that isn't a finale is not an event anymore. It's optional viewing for a lot of people. That's something Star Wars fans have no concept of though because they take the whole damn thing way too seriously. 

Serious reading fail there. That's not what I expected, it's what analysts inside the movie industry expected. BOM stated that $750M-$830M  at the DBO was the safe bet. And why wouldn't it be. TLJ had a massive amount of hype and goodwill built up around it because of the return of Luke and the reveals teased in TFA. For Christ's sake, it opened only 11.3% down from TFA. And adjusted for inflation, TLJ joins Ep 2&3 in the distinct honor of being the only main installments to not pass $720M.

After that you just go on to use the same tired excuses with no context that have been used many times before, but are just that, excuses. 

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epicurean on 04 June 2018

I know one person doesn't really matter, but I didn't see Solo specifically because of TLJ. There are definitely others I know who feel the same way. Maybe we are such a tiny minority that it doesn't represent the whole, I dunno. I have no desire to see Ep IX either. Star Wars was my favorite franchise of all time until TLJ.

The SJW aspect was about 1 of about 10 complaints with the movie, so I don't put all my eggs in that basket. It was just a bad, IMO Franchise Ruining movie. Yes, I thought it was worse than any of the prequels, and I thought Ep II was pretty bad, just not franchise ruining.

I don't really care if people think the series is fine, and completely as robust as it was before, but to completely ignore TLJ backlash as being nothing is not accurate either.



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Carl on 04 June 2018
thismeintiel said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:
Saying Disney doesn't care about how much it could have made is ridiculous. There's this thing that businesses will always look at called opportunity cost

It's strange the lengths people go to defend the direction of this new Disney SW.  Not even using hyperbole, as much as just out and out lying.  I have to say it is hilarious to read the comments from some before Solo released.  Basically bragging about how much TLJ made, even though it was greatly below expectations.  And saying stuff like, "You crybabies/incels/misogynists can boycott all you like, the films will still be hits since your group is so minuscule." Now, we actually have the next film being a flop, and it's, "Uh, you guys didn't do it.  It's because...uh...uh...(grabs reason out of butt), cause you guys are so minuscule."

Are you going to continually just dismiss real reasons for Solo under-performing and continue to put the entire blame on some SJW agenda?



                            

Medisti on 04 June 2018
epicurean said:
I know one person doesn't really matter, but I didn't see Solo specifically because of TLJ. There are definitely others I know who feel the same way. Maybe we are such a tiny minority that it doesn't represent the whole, I dunno. I have no desire to see Ep IX either. Star Wars was my favorite franchise of all time until TLJ.

The SJW aspect was about 1 of about 10 complaints with the movie, so I don't put all my eggs in that basket. It was just a bad, IMO Franchise Ruining movie. Yes, I thought it was worse than any of the prequels, and I thought Ep II was pretty bad, just not franchise ruining.

I don't really care if people think the series is fine, and completely as robust as it was before, but to completely ignore TLJ backlash as being nothing is not accurate either.

What about two people? And anyone else who agrees with us.



DrDoomz on 04 June 2018

I’m the guy in my circle who drags friends and family’s butts to the cinema to watch movies (usually superhero and sci fi/fantasy). This year I just didn’t and of those intrerested in watching, I told them my opinions. None of my friends/family watched Solo. I wouldn’t say I was the reason they didn’t, more like I didn’t give those on the fence to actually do so like I’ve done in the past. Many were surprised I didn’t try to force them to watch Solo, many were just meh about the prospect of watching due to the reviews. Some didn’t even know the movie existed or cared that it did. My circle is composed of around 20 friends/family (and their families or dates who they bring to movies) who I would have dragged kicking and screaming to the cinemas. This time I didn’t. And none of them watched. Not one. I am a bit ashamed to admit it, but I find a small satisfaction in that.

I don’t hate TLJ (and I don’t know if Solo is any good, but TLJ just turned me off from SW altogether), I just found it kinda average. My problem is that with all the characters that I loved gone (in a kinda shitty manner, too) and replaced by IMO rather mediocre characters that I just can’t give a damn about, why even watch SW? Why even care?

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epicurean on 04 June 2018
Medisti said:
epicurean said:
I know one person doesn't really matter, but I didn't see Solo specifically because of TLJ. There are definitely others I know who feel the same way. Maybe we are such a tiny minority that it doesn't represent the whole, I dunno. I have no desire to see Ep IX either. Star Wars was my favorite franchise of all time until TLJ.

The SJW aspect was about 1 of about 10 complaints with the movie, so I don't put all my eggs in that basket. It was just a bad, IMO Franchise Ruining movie. Yes, I thought it was worse than any of the prequels, and I thought Ep II was pretty bad, just not franchise ruining.

I don't really care if people think the series is fine, and completely as robust as it was before, but to completely ignore TLJ backlash as being nothing is not accurate either.

What about two people? And anyone else who agrees with us.

I haven't read through the thread - are there people who are saying there are NO people who haven't abandoned Star Wars? If so I would certainly disagree with them, but I don't think anyone is arguing that.



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