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Forums - General Discussion - Feminists outrage at walk on/Grid girls, F1 & Darts models ban. Your thoughts?

 

I am...

In support of Grid girls. 72 79.12%
 
I support banning grid gi... 6 6.59%
 
Indifferent or unsure. 12 13.19%
 
Comments... 1 1.10%
 
Total:91

They are jobs. The girls aren't being forced into anything and are actually being paid.

It's impossible to force sexism into that. Just hire and pay male models for women sports aswell if you like.

DonFerrari said:
Seems like vgc is full of misognists who made the polo 80% pro women objetification.

Next thing you're saying is that the muslims are right and we should cover them head to toe.

 

What is wrong with beatiful women? Should we pretend they don't exist? They are there cause they want to be. It's quite honestly easy work. Male models are hired for similar jobs.

 

I think the one objectifying is yourself, cause you are treating these woman as people without the freedom to make their own decisions. Who are you to tell them what to do?

Last edited by Nem - on 22 February 2018

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Nem said:

They are jobs. The girls aren't being forced into anything and are actually being paid.

It's impossible to force sexism into that. Just hire and pay male models for women sports aswell if you like.

DonFerrari said:
Seems like vgc is full of misognists who made the polo 80% pro women objetification.

Next thing you're saying is that the muslims are right and we should cover them head to toe.

 

What is wrong with beatiful women? Should we pretend they don't exist? They are there cause they want to be. It's quite honestly easy work. Male models are hired for similar jobs.

 

I think the one objectifying is yourself, cause you are treating these woman as people without the freedom to make their own decisions. Who are you to tell them what to do?

They had male models do the grid in Mônaco. Wasn't well received.

and I was being sarcastic over the pool.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

superchunk said:
People should be able to do what they want so long as that doesn't cause harm to others. It's really as simple as that.

If an adult wants to earn money by selling their sexuality, they should be able to do so.

You're acting as if these girls if these girls are self employed, If they are, than one of their clients has simply decided they do not want to use them any more. If they're not self employed than of course you can't just do whatever you want. I can't work for Sony and just decide I'm going to a model on their E3 stage, If they decide they don't want models that isn't impending on my freedoms. 



Aeolus451 said:
TallSilhouette said:

Holy slippery slope fallacy, Batman!

I think that particular fallacy is used to lazily counter an argument too often and in arguments where there's some kind of proof or circumstances that show something might happen. This is certainly the work of sex-negative feminism. I think his point is what is the ultimate goal with pushing for things like this. It is a good question to ask. There's a growing support of islam among feminists.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabby-aossey/muslims-are-the-true-feminists_b_9877692.html

You mean the same feminists who want to free the nipple... Guys come on! This is ridiculous 



Otter said:
Aeolus451 said:

I think that particular fallacy is used to lazily counter an argument too often and in arguments where there's some kind of proof or circumstances that show something might happen. This is certainly the work of sex-negative feminism. I think his point is what is the ultimate goal with pushing for things like this. It is a good question to ask. There's a growing support of islam among feminists.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabby-aossey/muslims-are-the-true-feminists_b_9877692.html

You mean the same feminists who want to free the nipple... Guys come on! This is ridiculous 

Sure, there's some who want to do that sort of stuff and they wouldn't be against things that guys typically like because they're sex-positive feminists. The sex-negative feminists like Anita want to get rid of all that and shame men for liking women. That's what we're talking about.

I think there was a clash of them over a pic of Jennifer Lawrence in a sexy dress.



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Aura7541 said:
DonFerrari said:

No sorry...

A company removing a position because it's unneeded isn't like a company retaining a position because it is needed. Only the points that strength my argument shall be used, reverse or equivalence that weakens it isn't acceptable, so don't try to rule out my argument using further evidence that disproves it /obvious sarcasm.

And that was what I was simply trying to say all this time. But apparently, I have to go full rocket science jargon to get that point across.

Needed for Formula E and NASCAR =/= needed to have a formula racing tournament altogether. Are you unable to see that distinction? I have acknowledged that NASCAR and Formula E deemed them necessary for their companies' business, but that, once again, doesn't mean they are necessary to have a Formula racing tournament. They might be necessary for their Formula racing tournament, but not necessary for each and every one of them. Do you legitimately not see the difference between those two things?



Teeqoz said:
Aura7541 said:

And that was what I was simply trying to say all this time. But apparently, I have to go full rocket science jargon to get that point across.

Needed for Formula E and NASCAR =/= needed to have a formula racing tournament altogether. Are you unable to see that distinction? I have acknowledged that NASCAR and Formula E deemed them necessary for their companies' business, but that, once again, doesn't mean they are necessary to have a Formula racing tournament. They might be necessary for their Formula racing tournament, but not necessary for each and every one of them. Do you legitimately not see the difference between those two things?

I really can't see why the telegraphic example would be more near and valid than this one... or have you registered for your self the use of not 1:1 analogy?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Teeqoz said:

Needed for Formula E and NASCAR =/= needed to have a formula racing tournament altogether. Are you unable to see that distinction? I have acknowledged that NASCAR and Formula E deemed them necessary for their companies' business, but that, once again, doesn't mean they are necessary to have a Formula racing tournament. They might be necessary for their Formula racing tournament, but not necessary for each and every one of them. Do you legitimately not see the difference between those two things?

I really can't see why the telegraphic example would be more near and valid than this one... or have you registered for your self the use of not 1:1 analogy?

What has this got to do with an analogy? It isn't an analogy, just faulty logic.

Grid girls being deemed necessary at some Formula racing venues does not mean they are necessary at all Formula racing venues. Of course, grid girls being deemed unnecessary at some Formula racing venue also does not mean that they are uneccesary at all Formula racing venues , but that was never implied. Grid girls being deemed uneccesary at a single Formula racing venue is enough to show that grid girls aren't absolutely necessary to have a Formula racing tournament. As I explained, they may be necessary for some (for whatever reason), but they are empirically not absolutely necessary to have a formula racing tournament.



Teeqoz said:
DonFerrari said:

I really can't see why the telegraphic example would be more near and valid than this one... or have you registered for your self the use of not 1:1 analogy?

What has this got to do with an analogy? It isn't an analogy, just faulty logic.

Grid girls being deemed necessary at some Formula racing venues does not mean they are necessary at all Formula racing venues. Of course, grid girls being deemed unnecessary at some Formula racing venue also does not mean that they are uneccesary at all Formula racing venues , but that was never implied. Grid girls being deemed uneccesary at a single Formula racing venue is enough to show that grid girls aren't absolutely necessary to have a Formula racing tournament. As I explained, they may be necessary for some (for whatever reason), but they are empirically not absolutely necessary to have a formula racing tournament.

It's funny that you can't see that you are being the king of bring fallacies to the thread, drawing in-existent parallels and put strange shifting definitions...

You still haven't explained why you are against Grid Girls.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Teeqoz said:
Aura7541 said:

And that was what I was simply trying to say all this time. But apparently, I have to go full rocket science jargon to get that point across.

Needed for Formula E and NASCAR =/= needed to have a formula racing tournament altogether. Are you unable to see that distinction? I have acknowledged that NASCAR and Formula E deemed them necessary for their companies' business, but that, once again, doesn't mean they are necessary to have a Formula racing tournament. They might be necessary for their Formula racing tournament, but not necessary for each and every one of them. Do you legitimately not see the difference between those two things?

I thought you were satisfied enough to leave the conversation, but apparently, you still want to talk instead of doing things that are more "worth" your time...

It looks like we have different interpretations of "altogether". When you say "altogether", I saw it as "all" formula racing tournaments. As a result, I interpreted your comment as "grid girls are unnecessary for all formula racing tournaments". You could have said instead what you typed with the bolded and italicized as it would have limited the amount of misunderstanding.

So while we cleared that up, you are still wrong because you concluded your refutation before with and I quote, "This, once again, does not contradict my point - grid girls aren't a necessity". IIRC, you have also said the italicized multiple times prior to that. Because you did not offer a distinction, I have to interpret it as grid girls aren't a necessity at all. However, you ended up refuting your own conclusion with the comment that I am quoting now. You have acknowledged the fact that grid girls are necessary for certain racing tournaments.

I would also like to point to another previous comment here where you switched stances: "Once again - I haven't said that grid girls don't provide any financial benefit. (I also never claimed that WEC scrapped grid girls due to declining revenue - I never said anything to suggest that). They probably do provide some financial benefit (though neither of us has any data on that). But I have shown that the possible financial benefit of having grid girls is not a necessity. It's an option, but not absolutely necessary. Wether financial contributions from grid girls were declining or increasing doesn't change that fact."

You claimed that the WEC example proved that the financial benefit of having grid girls is not a necessity. Again, you didn't provide a distinction, so I had to interpret that your statement applied to all cases, not just WEC's. Later in the conversation, you acknowledged the NASCAR and Formula E still employ grid girls because they deemed them necessary to their businesses.

Last edited by Aura7541 - on 23 February 2018