Did you just say the switch is too casual? 

Hopefully those games are good. I am very worried about Crackdown and I want to see how well Sea of Thieves plays and sells. You're correct that the X is a solid piece of hardware, but that's never been my issue of expectation with Microsoft. That's too easy of a job or even a box to check off for them. Microsoft's ultimate lesson to learn about being in the console space is how to make their own games, because they've been in the industry for far too long without mastering it. Everyone else has, except them. Hopefully Spencers investments  internally and externally come to fruition next gen. Something makes me trust his long term plan even though this gen is over. I know this has been said before (since as long as last gen)....but lets wait until E3 to see if anything new comes (wow...that saying is getting old, but meh)  ;)

P.S.

Cant wait to hear about Halo and Gears.

Except they aren't straw man arguments... A straw man argument is actually an informal fallacy where you give the impression that you are refuting your opponents argument when you are actually refuting an argument not presented by your opponent.

You brought up console power not I, thus it is not a straw man argument.

You miss the point. It doesn't matter how powerful a PC is. - As long as it can play all of a users games, power is thus irrelevant, you brought up the power argument to begin with... And even if we were to account for that, there are more PC's on Steam that exceed the Xbox One's hardware anyway, that's a fact you just need to come to grips with.

Besides, not all consoles can play the same degree of technically demanding Xbox One content, does the Switch, Xbox 360 and Playstation 3, 3DS, Vita ring a bell?

And answer me this... How does a small portion of PC's with specifications worst than the Xbox One have any freaking relevance to any of this?

Microsoft also made mistakes in the 7th gen, massive ones. Red Ring of Death ring a bell? Paid online perhaps? Those were all contention points.
Microsoft had the right games at the right time during the 7th gen, which accounted for those issues.

The 360 did share allot of games with the PC and I agree with you there, but it also had a ton of games that weren't on PC.
* Fable 2.
* Kameo.
* Perfect Dark.
* Banjo Kazooi nuts and bolts.
* Halo Anniversary .
* Halo 3.
* Halo: Reach.
* Halo: ODST.
* Halo 4.
* Forza Motorsport 2,3 and 4.
* Naruto: Rise of a Ninja and The Broken Bond.
* Infinite Undiscovery.
* Blue Dragon.
* Lost Odyssey.
* Project Gotham Racing 3 and 4.
* Saints Row.
* Too Human.
* Viva Pinata.

And I am sure I missed a few, so my argument does have validity. I just listed it.

People buy older games period. Their sales rate does decline after the initial release.

There is very little population in Oceania, thus the online is rubbish.

And I agree, Kudos to Microsoft for putting more resources fixing up it's issues and making an Xbox One X enhanced version, years after release and condemnation. - More companies *cough*EA*cough* should take note.

...Umm. What? I meant they gave a free single player campaign whilst the online was going through the ringer, rather than say Reach's Multiplayer or something which no one would have been able to play anyway.

Disagree.

Because the PC has backwards compatibility. - Outside of hardware based approaches (PS2 and early PS3's) the PC has the best track record of backwards compatibility.
Of course, Microsoft's efforts are formidable... But we shouldn't be under any disillusions that they will ever be able to achieve backwards compatibility with the majority of the original Xbox and Xbox 360's game library, it's simply never going to happen.

Microsoft has made prior statements where they stated they were investing $1 billion smacko's in games, but hasn't made any commitments to a similar degree in recent times. 2017 is just evidence of the fact that they had a gaping hole in their development teams, resources and investment commitment.

Also, exclusives are exclusives. Doesn't really matter if they come from a 3rd or 1st party.

Except you are by rubbishing my decision to purchase an Xbox One X, thus you are essentially trying to force my hand in justifying my purchasing decision.
But guess what? I don't care.

If the Xbox One X had anything coming, there wouldn't be anything to complain about. ;)
Well. Except that it's stuck at a 1080P resolution on my display so the image looks soft and terrible.

I don't care if you buy it or not, that is your problem not mine.
And even if I did buy an Xbox One X "to complain and for attention" - Who gives a flying shit? The reason why I bought the console is not only none of your business, it's not your concern.
And it doesn't make my complaints any less valid than anyone elses who has also purchased the machine.

You need to learn to take some constructive criticism and stop trying to turn this into something personal, because I really don't give a crap about your personal dilemma.

The Xbox One X has no exclusives, it only outputs at a pathetic 1080P on my display. Those are real valid complaints and your whinging won't change that.

Just because you didn't experience them doesn't mean others have not.
Unless you are going to start delving into some Schrodinger cat kind of thought experiment stuff, I assume you have an understanding of quantum mechanics even at a basic level if that's the case? :P

Crackdown I hope does well. It has copped a ton of criticism for it's visuals, so hopefully they spend some extra time polishing that.
In another thread I did point out where the visuals fell short in a few areas. (Such as geometry.)

But if the game is fun, I guess it really doesn't matter.

The only times I can remember where Microsoft dropped the ball in regards to hardware was...
The Clock gen cap on the Original Xbox which was prone to failure.

The Red Ring of Death on the Xbox 360...

And D-Pad on every Xbox controller for certain genre's like platformers and fighting games. - The D-Pad is likely a personal thing though and is likely due to the placement of it, if I could get a controller that swaps the left thumbstick for the D-Pad, I might like it more, the asymmetrical design seems to sit better with me, which is why I tend to like the analogue sticks where they are for games that use them.

The Xbox One X is a solid piece of hardware, it's hard to fault it... And I am a hardware enthusiast first and foremost.

Microsoft has some big franchises that I absolutely bloody adore.
Black and White, Freelancer, Age of Empires, Halo, Fable... List goes on. I just feel many of those franchises are being wasted... Especially Black and White, that could have been the game that sold me on Kinect. (Which I also love for Voice Commands.)

That's just it. We don't know their long term plans, so we can only criticize or support the short term ones, 2018 looks set to possibly be a decent year.
And I really hope Halo 6 pushes the Xbox One X to the limit and gives us some amazing visuals.

Your responses can often make assumptions I wasn't making, or you just bring up something else that's irrelevant. Frankly, you do it so often I'm not sure why I didn't call out your straw man arguments before. And we continue to see it here...

I mentioned GPU because that has a lot to do with your PC gaming options. Hence, being a PC gamers doesent mean you have a rig cabable of playing all Xbox content. People who want to play modern games but dont want to upgrade will often buy a console. Amazing you miss that point and I keep explaining it.

Straw man, I didnt argue MS didnt make mistakes during the 7th gen. Sony however made bigger ones that allowed Xbox to thrive. This is a fact.

I agree 360 had more true exclusives than X1. But 360 thrived primarily due to mistakes Sony made with PS3, not so much true exclusives. I mean the 360 couldnt have done as well as it did without Sony dropping the ball with PS3. Meanwhile, X1 hasnt declined from sharing games with PC, sales have been steady. The X1 had a bad launch, that hurt X1 more than sharing games with PC ever has. Hence, you neglect the major mistakes and just focus on PC getting Xbox games.

You miss the point again. You can find all the GTA titles because the successors didnt just make predecessors obsolete. FH2 is the same, its a unique product and not obsolete to FH3. Inferior maybe, but not obsolete. FH2 isn't just an update like Forza 7, there is original content in FH2 that makes it worth playing as well.

You're blaming MCC for the part of the world you live. That's a personal problem.

The ODST campaign came to MCC when much of the online problems were addressed. Adding Reach would have been nice, maybe it will happen eventually. Maybe! That would be a good way to reboot MCC.

Straw man, I said BC adds value to X1, which is fact. But you're arguing something else.

They might have spent a billion on games since 2013. Think about EVERY release since then, games currently in development, games cancelled, marketing for those games, perhaps exclusive deals, etc.

Straw man, you said MS doesent invest as much into 1st party as Sony. I argued their output of games probably about the same. But now you're boasting about 3rd party exclusives which is primarily Japanese games. Those arent Sony's investments nor published by Sony, those primarily happen because Xbox isn't relevant in Japan and you'll see some of that Japanese support moving to Switch.

You knew what X1 had coming and you knew you would play that content elsewhere. Thats why your X1X purchase makes no sense. Again, you actually argue your X1X purchase was dumb and we simply agree with you.

Go buy a 4K TV already. If you had the money for an X1 then I bet you can afford a 4K TV. I mean why settle with a blurry 1440p monitor? If you're stuck with 1080p because your monitor, too bad. That's your problem for having the wrong display and we dont care.

I'm telling you MCC crashing will vary between pre and post patches. MCC went from disaster to staple thanks to patches.

Yeah... Pot meet kettle. *Cough* GPU's *Cough*

Straw Man argument.

Obviously if you don't own an Xbox itself, you don't assume you will run all of the Xbox's content anyway.

Not a Straw Man. I actually agreed with you to an extent.
Again, I posted the definition to what a Straw Man fallacy is prior in this thread, read it.

The 360 also had the right game, the right franchise at the right time that helped bury the RROD fiasco.
Halo was on top of the entire gaming industry, Halo 3 pushed consoles, it was being talked about on Social media, on the news... In news papers. It was everywhere.

A single exclusive can make a stupidly massive difference.

That isn't what I am saying at all.

No.

They did backwards compatibility with Reach, last time I tried it on the base Xbox One it was unplayable though due to extremely low framerates and horrendous frame pacing and input lag, probably been a ton of updates since then though, so I really should give it another spin.

I doubt Reach will come to the Master Chief Collection, having it at 60fps though would be amazing and worth another play through just for that though. Just don't see any new content being added to that game.

I provided the definition of a straw man argument prior in this thread. Go read it.

And that isn't my argument at all. I agree that backwards compatibility is a great thing and I love the effort Microsoft has put into it.
But that doesn't mean that I cannot criticize a few aspects of it.

Well. They also potentially lost hundreds of millions from the cancellation of Fable and Scalebound.
But they did spend billions buying Mojang.

I posted the definition of a "Straw Man" argument prior. Go read it.

Regardless, I think the game output speaks for itself if history and the short term outlook is anything to go by.

Who gives a shit why I bought the console? Seriously?
It has absolutely nothing to do with this and doesn't remove the fact I am entitled to have an opinion and it doesn't change the fact I am allowed to openly criticize the Xbox.

So get over it.

1) I don't want a 4k TV.
2) I don't have a 4k TV.
3) I want the Xbox on my Monitor and not my TV.
4) TV's have inferior input lag.
5) My money. I'll buy what I want, when I want.
6) I am allowed to criticize the Xbox for lacking a certain feature that tons of gamers want, especially when Microsoft made the promise of 1440P support.

It still has issues.  - Otherwise why would Microsoft/343 industries renew their commitment to fixing the game?

It has less issues now, sure. It's not 100% perfect.

You guys are clearly having issues....

I'm gonna put some arguments to rest.

Halo 3 simply didn't sell well enough to justify the 360's 80 million sales. You can't credit a single game or even a few games for that. The Halo games sold very well on OG Xbox but that console only sold 24 million.

You played Reach on BC before patches, the primary problem was frame pacing. Works fine now, probably better than 360.

Oh, I highly doubt they spent that much on Fable Legends and Scalebound. Games like that don't get a Halo or Gears budget. Fable Legends wasn't even a real Fable game, I played it. It was smaller scale project, arena style co-op game.

I've read that Fable Legends spent $75 million, but that would be incredible if true. I mean that's a bigger budget than Witcher 3. So if true, good riddance to Lionhead.

Not sure what the Mojang purchase has to do with anything. Still a popular IP though.

Again, you argue your X1X purchase was dumb and you knew it would be. Yet you act surprised the purchase was dumb. You just come off silly.

I believe somebody promised 1440p and it was quickly corrected to eventually come.

MCC will never be 100%, not sure if games really achieve that. But MCC has become a very functional product with room for improvement. Some of the potential improvements aren't just bugs by the way.

And I quote myself "A single exclusive can make a stupidly massive difference." not "It is responsible for all the things."

I never did credit a single game for that.

And without Halo on the original Xbox... How many consoles would have Microsoft sold?
Halo was a talking point in all video game/tech circles, it made people take the Xbox seriously, don't underestimate what a "console seller" can do, Halo was an amazing franchise that shifted consoles.

When Halo 3 launched, it more than doubled the sales of the Xbox 360, tons of people on this very forum even had to adjust their predictions for when the Playstation 3 would overtake the Xbox 360.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/tech-microsoft-halo3-dc/microsoft-says-halo-1st-week-sales-were-300-mln-idUKN0438777720071004

I know. I did say that.

Good to hear, Microsoft has been extremely quick to improve it's emulation quality across the entire breadth of titles made Backwards compatible.

Fable legends alone with $75 million.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/05/lionhead-tells-all-molyneuxs-overpromises-fable-legends-75m-budget-more/

Scalebound was also Platinum Games highest budgeted title.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/10/platinums-scalebound-cancelled-on-xbox-one-6371586/

So we could have indeed been talking hundreds of millions. I.E. Greater than $100 million.

There have probably been a ton of pitches that never gained any traction like Stormland as well.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-08-stormlands-and-the-million-man-raid-obsidians-cancelled-xbox-one-exclusive

Or titles like Project Spark that never really gained much traction and floundered.

Seems you got an edit in there while I was replying. (Glad you did some homework then.)

Lionhead was a massive loss in my opinion.
Fable is an amazing franchise... And Lionhead never really got the chance to revisit Black and White after Microsoft sunk it's teeth in, Black and White was  amazing.

I honestly wish Nintendo, Microsoft, EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Sony and others would spin developers off when they are sick and tired of them, rather than just merely shutting them down... At-least then they would be producing some content.

Er. Microsoft investing in video games? Did you forget what we were discussing?

And I am still free to criticize the Xbox One X to my hearts desire, despite your whinging about it. - And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it either.

Indeed. A rough time frame would have been nice.

I agree.
Companies like Blizzard and Valve will continue to patch games even a decade after release, more companies should do it.

Even with countless notable games on 360, the PS3 screw up helped 360 more than anything.

Well we were discussing that billion dollar boast in gaming for Xbox One. The Mojang purchase isnt really an Xbox investment. Minecraft is what they were after, a multiplat game that has been ported to other platforms post purchase. Even the Story games have been multiplat. That purchase was also bigger than the billion they boasted about.

Lionhead was inefficient it seems to me. I played the Fable trilogy and want more. But the XBLA game was mediocre, Fable Anniversary was disappointing and unpolished, I actually liked the Kinect game but it did poor critically. Then Fable Legends was apparently an expensive and boring disaster. Whatever IPs they want to use can be done by another studio.

I don't like to see people fired but it seems like all the studios shutting down just led to more studios or more work for 3rd parties. I mean MS felt they didnt need Ensemble and now Sega owned studios do that work. Meanwhile Playground has former PGR developers. So I don't necessarily see a problem really and these studios can work for anyone if the relationship ends. I imagine all these studios have ideas for games as well simply waiting to be funded.

Again, you knew what X1X had coming. You sound silly.

Sometimes console features are announced well before we get them. Where are the new avatars and wasnt there talk of mouse support?

The Wii U was a disaster, yes. But the exclusives that came out for it were flying off the shelves. Some people did go out to buy Wii U for those exclusives (not many but there were people like myself). We cant deny that exclusive dont sell consoles, main purpose of owning multiple consoles is so that you can play games that you cant get on the other.