setsunatenshi said:
you guys need to be on some serious medication. please seek help o.0 |
Seeing this extreme left boogeyman bullshit always gives me headaches. How can anyone write that out seriously 😂
setsunatenshi said:
you guys need to be on some serious medication. please seek help o.0 |
Seeing this extreme left boogeyman bullshit always gives me headaches. How can anyone write that out seriously 😂
monocle_layton said:
Seeing this extreme left boogeyman bullshit always gives me headaches. How can anyone write that out seriously 😂 |
It's all too common nowadays. We're at a point it's hard to tell who's trolling and who actually believes this shit.
I miss the good old days when we could focus on 9/11 conspiracies and leave it at that :/
Bandorr said:
Even worse on twitter etc. I can't tell if people are serious, trolling, assholes, or bots. I rather assume people are bots than actually believe people can say the things they are saying. |
That's one way not to get depressed... the problem is when the sheer volume of bullshit reaches a point that a % of otherwise normal people actually starts believing it.
I don't want to call anyone out specifically for trolling here in this thread, but I honestly hope they are just trolling.
setsunatenshi said:
It's all too common nowadays. We're at a point it's hard to tell who's trolling and who actually believes this shit. I miss the good old days when we could focus on 9/11 conspiracies and leave it at that :/ |
I don't like acting superior, but I truly wonder how people can be so ignorant.
It's an even larger issue with things such as immigration. Why does it have to be completely open borders or no immigrants? Couldn't we have restrictions, but still help?
Or perhaps we can dislike Trump, but not act like asshats when criticizing him. Why just parrot a bunch of insults when he has so many flaws?
It's disgusting how the people who 'have the truth' are the ones who are the most ignorant
SpokenTruth said:
1 law? OK. How about a law that requires the military to properly report disqualifying activity to the database? Right now its a loose policy, not a law. And no, gun control legislation has not shown that they are ineffective because we barely have gun control legislation. |
The military is already required to add him to the database. It's not a loose policy, it is the actual law. It was negligent of the military courts to not enforce the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, and the various Federal Firearms Acts, which allowed him to buy guns when he shouldn't have been able according to the law.
There are thousands of gun control laws in the country, how is that "barely have gun control legislation"?
The law which was suppose to prevent this failed, because nobody enforced it. We can make a thousand more laws and if nobody enforces them they'll fail.
U.S Military Failed to Send Texas Gunman's Conviction Record to FBI
WagnerPaiva said: You are an american, I suppose. Hold on to your guns, if you have them, not about security, but about preventing tiranny. The promisse of fairness is just a trick of socialism to achieve ultimate power, they all read Antonio Gramsci and follow the rules line by line: - Get the cultural Elite on your side to push your agenda, pay them handsomely. - Take the guns of the populous. - Change their habits, destroy their family, give them addictions that will take their mind out of any kind of resistance. - Rinse and repeat. |
Not and American, but a Canadian, if that's possible, since it's also a conspiracy and doesn't really exist apparently. lol.
I've read a lot of the conspiracy stuff, seen some Alex Jones, etc. I know what's out there, but while I don't dismiss any of it, I don't necesarily believe it all either. Some of it has very believable evidence behind it, and some is just enough to 'connect the dots' if you will, but that's still not enough to be sure by any means. Spinning the truth is quite easy to do, if you really know what your doing.
All I know is instead of simply eating whatever I'm being fed, I always ask and think twice before buying into something now. Even afterwards, I'm skeptical. Locking yourself into nothing but absolute truth's and lies, makes lying to you so much easier, no matter what side it's coming from.
I'm not saying your completely wrong, but I'm not saying your completely right either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and belief system and I repect that, because locking everyone into a single mindset, is about as dangerous as it gets.
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I was looking for something a little more specific to mental illness. I want to reiterate that I am not saying that no gun control can reduce suicides. I think it can, and your study shows that quite well. Just that I am not sure that gun control specifically pertaining to mental illness reduces suicide or if it instead drives people from treatment, nullifying the effect. I decided to do a quick search and heres what I found:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5154170/ - I don't like the way this study presents its data, but from what I can parse, they conclude little effect of legislation limiting access to firearms for those with mental illness. "No significant associations were found between legal disqualification from possessing firearms and suicide risk with either version of the outcome variable."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/the-gop-is-making-it-easier-for-mentally-ill-people-to-buy-guns-they-have-a-point/?utm_term=.db7d3dd44c5a - Individuals with serious mental illness are only slightly more likely to commit suicide using a firearm.
Obviously, that isn't exactly comprehensive, but it is a start.
SpokenTruth said: Dear Republicans. When is the right time to start talking about gun control and mental health coverage? Can we make it early next week? If we wait too long, we'll have another shooting and we'll have to start your "It's too soon to talk about it" clock all over again. |
Still working on cleaning up the vehicle incidents. We are also spending a lot more time praying, since news like CNN keeps trying to make it clear that prayer is useless and won't save anyone. Now we have to pray for all of you as well.
We have also decided vehicle regs are the position we are going to back, and if you dems want more gun regs, then your really going to have to bargain and end up angering way more people by making their lives even harder when it comes to driving.
Your welcome though, because the amount of people that will be saved overall because of this, will be totally worth it, and exactly what you wanted, so everybody wins, right?
By the way. "If we wait to long, we'll have another shooting and we'll have to start your "it's too soon to talk about it" clock over again". Partially sounds like a threat/warning. Partially sounds like you think shootings are just like the weather. Better get some sun while you can before it rains. Rain doesn't just fall from the sky btw, there are other forces necessary to make it rain, which is why it doesn't rain all day everyday. If only we could control the forces that create rain.
SpokenTruth said: Dear Republicans. When is the right time to start talking about gun control and mental health coverage? Can we make it early next week? If we wait too long, we'll have another shooting and we'll have to start your "It's too soon to talk about it" clock all over again. |
Not a Republican here, but I think the center-"left" is pretty lazy. Gun-rights advocates put their time and votes where their mouths are. They support their organizations through grassroots efforts which aim to protect their rights through the concentration of democratic power at the margins. That is why Republicans don't want to speak a lick of gun control. The NRA isn't scary because it has money (there are many richer moneyed interests donating to Republicans; the NRA pays pebbles in comparison), they are scary because their report card tells Republican and Independent voters whom and whom not to vote for in the next primary and maybe general elections. Right now the gun-control advocates -who are supposedly leftists, but are really just class-warring urban bourgeoisie hoping to deprive the non-urban proletariat of their means of defense like they've done to the urban proleteriat in cities where crime-rates explode, depend on astroturf funding from plutocrats like Michael Bloomberg to do anything, and then they moralize and blame when the money donated from said plutocrats does nothing to push forward their cause.
The reason why gun rights advocates (and not all of us are Republicans) say "this is not the right time" is because people are not thinking rationally immediately after a sensationalized mass-shooting and are looking for easy answers to complex social phenomena, and this is true all over the political spectrum.
It also doesn't help that often when there is consensus on a gun-control position (such as more powerful and expansive background checks) the gun-control side poisons the legislation with something they know would not be accepted by gun-rights advocates and even those who are for gun-control .
For another example of what I mean about the gun-control advocate proposals going too far. A few days ago Diane Feinstein reintroduced an Assault Weapons' Ban. This is despite Gallup polls showing that fewer American than ever supporting an Assault Weapons Ban.
Why wasn't Diane Feinstein's legislation about fixing background checks instead of something most Americans are not interested in?