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Errorist76 said:
numberwang said:

Milo is jewish, gay, supports Israel and maried a black man... a Nazi?

If he behaves like a Nazi he is a Nazi. Lots of them are hypocrites. And lots of them are Nazis in disguise. And no, that has nothing to do with how Wolfenstein displays the Nazis.

 

Being anti-Nazi should be every righteous man's/woman's view. No apologies.

 

And yeah, Israel is behaving very Nazi like these days. There, I said it.

Someone just gave you a reasonable and factual opposing point of view.  Yet you behave very intolerable of it. Seems you're behaving like a Nazi yourself. Cuts both ways pal.



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the-pi-guy said:
numberwang said:

Milo is jewish, gay, supports Israel and maried a black man... a Nazi?

He's gay with a black husband, and yet he thinks that being gay is wrong.

"But everything isn’t OK. And, ceteris paribus, no one would choose to have a gay child rather than a straight one. It would be like wishing that they were born disabled – not just because homosexuality is aberrant, but because that child will suffer unnecessarily. Again, you’d have to be mad. Or evil.

Is being homosexual “wrong”? Something somewhere inside of me says Yes. "

http://web.archive.org/web/20110716015115/http://yiannopoulos.net:80/2011/07/11/why-ill-probably-never-be-a-parent/

Self loathing is a thing.  White supremacists can be black, black supremacists can be white.  Just because he's jewish and gay doesn't mean he can't be a nazi, or can't be supporting white nationalism.  

Yeeah.. Except that he's not. I've watched hours upon hours of Milo's speeches/interviews. I've also read his book - he is a conservative who describes himself as a "cultural libertarian," and emphasizes the free exchange of ideas (an idea that's quite ANTI-Nazi if anything..)

He just speaks bluntly but makes very fair and logical arguments, with some provocative language and a bit of comedy/satire thrown in to draw attention. That's it. I've never heard him say anything remotely racist/sexist unless you want to make the incredibly wrongheaded arguement that BLM = all black people or that 3rd wave feminism = all women. You might describe him as anti-Islam though much of that stems from him being gay and a large sector of Islam having anti-gay sentiment. Furthermore Islam is not a race but a religion..

He also plays a bit to this idea that white males get unfairly slandered these days along with this right wing fear of immigration/Islam - but nowhere does he EVER claim "white supremacy/ white nationalism (whatever the hell that one means)" or provide rhetoric that falls in line with that stuff whatsoever. He probably goes a bit too far with his provacative nature but other than that he's not terribly controversial.. 

Don't believe everything you hear on the news/social media. 



 

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the-pi-guy said:
Aeolus451 said:

A.) Does every gay person need to be an advocate for homosexuality or can they live their own lives? Does it mean that he hates himself if he doesn't want to go around with the prescribed ideology? 

B.) A jew can't be a nazi or neo nazi. I've seen alot of dumbies call people like Milo and Ben Shapiro nazis. Words have meaning. 

A.)  Homosexuality isn't an ideology.  No every gay person does not need to advocate for homosexuality.  But saying that "gays should get back in the closet" is the opposite of advocacy.  He isn't staying out of it, he's actively opposing it despite being that and despite actively participating in it.  

B.)  Yes they can.  If Hitler turned out to be completely Jewish, while advocating for the destruction of the Jewish people for the simple fact that they are Jewish, does that mean he couldn't have been a Nazi?  

Being Jewish doesn't mean you can't be a Nazi.  Doesn't matter if Milo is a Nazi or not.  The point here is that simply being Jewish doesn't mean you can't be a Nazi.  If I start spouting that black people are absolutely superior to every white person simply because of their skin color, what does that make me?  According to your logic, I can't be a black supremacist because I'm white.  

Or that a Jewish someone who dresses up as a Nazi, believes and does everything that a Nazi does, is not a Nazi, because they are Jewish, even though they fit the definition of a Nazi in every way, shape and form.  

 

Do you not realize the context of that when he said that? it wasn't a hateful comment or anything like that. He didn't like how gays became political and are advocates for the left. He rather them quiet down. 

There's a difference between white person being a black supremacist or vice versa and a jew being a nazi. Nazis kill jews for being jews. White people would not be black supremacists if they were being hunted down to be killed by blacks because they would die off literally after a bit. A white person wouldn't even be able to be"ally" much less a equal ranked supremacist under those circumstances. It's a poor comparison. 



so where deo you draw the line? replace nazi's with "Black" or "jewish" or "Atheist" (a choice) etc etc. This is offensive, you shouldn't have any media promoting genocide of a group regardless of what you think of the group.



contestgamer said:

so where deo you draw the line? replace nazi's with "Black" or "jewish" or "Atheist" (a choice) etc etc. This is offensive, you shouldn't have any media promoting genocide of a group regardless of what you think of the group.

This is a fictional game where you kill one of the most despicable groups in history. Stop pulling a strawman argument and realize that the game is NOT saying you should go kill people.

 

Don't you see how ridiculous you sound?



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Nobody thinks that the game Wolfenstein itself is controversial because it involves killing nazis.

The problem is when these statements are being taken outside of the game into the real world and our time.

People are upset at the marketing campaign for the latest Wolfenstein game, because it quite obviously refers to recent political discourse where socialists made it a hashtag to punch nazis about one year ago (and soon after, the alt-right leader Richard Spencer fell victim to a disgusting commie sucker punching him, like several video snippets in this thread show), and to very controversial and polarizing political events like Charlottesville, where the demonstrators were (wrongfully) being depicted as violent nazis by media.

This issue gets especially problematic when it's the left who gets to decide who is and who isn't a nazi. Leftist agitators and protestors very often call the British Jew/Greek homosexual Milo Yiannopolous a nazi - who himself is a target for nazi hatred. Some leftists like to use the word nazi to describe nearly everyone who belongs to the political right.

But even if Milo was a true nazi, it's wrong to incite violence against him, just as it is against Richard Spencer.

So it's really dirty by Bethesda to take advantage of the attention connected to the events at Charlottesville and the subsequent media witchhunt campaign against the alt-right, and risk creating a situation where the moral justification to kill nazi soldiers in WW2 or in a video game context, gets conflated with punching or persecuting real-life National-socialist individuals in our time.



Fuck Nazis, Fuck Richard Spencer too and fuck the scum that support him. You will never find a safe haven where your shit ideas go unchallenged. Milo doesn't believe half the shit he says, he is manipulating a bunch of idiots and in order to make a quick buck. 



I'm not inherently a violence first person, but against Nazis, IMO it's justified because it is an ideology that at its core wishes violence on those that don't fit it's "perfect ideal". World War II showed their real colors, if people had taken up arms against their perverse ideology earlier, it would've saved millions of lives. Appeasement and "peaceful exchange of ideas" does not work with Nazis. 

This "debate" is over, we had a freaking World War over it.

Nazism is not a legitimate ideology the so-called "tolerant middle" should not forget that. Their end game is always to inflict violence on groups on people that are different from them, they dress is up a thousands different ways, but that's all it boils down to. The stuff before that is all about weaselling their way to get there.

The difference today is more people can see through their bullshit more easily and want nothing to do with it, they will remain a sad little minority. 



the-pi-guy said:
Aura7541 said:

If you don't believe in the authenticity of the video, then allow me to share the story that ANTIFA was running a website called "It's Going Down" and one of their sources of revenue was Patreon. However, Patreon removed ANTIFA funding page as the site's extremism violated Patreon community guidelines (presumably under the "Bullying, Harassment, Threats and Hate Speech" and "Facilitating Harmful or Dangerous Activity" guidelines). If your #NotAll argument held water, then someone in ANTIFA should've fixed the website so that it wouldn't violate Patreon's community guidelines. However, that didn't happen. So either ANTIFA is generally extremist or someone rational in ANTIFA tried to make the website more palatable, but the rest of the group opposed it.

It's not like when you join ANTIFA you get keys to their website.  ANTIFA (much like you've said of the alt-right in posts in the past) is made up of a variety of different groups that don't have connection with eachother.  Their motivated by the same goal (being anti-fascist), but they operate separately with no connections between each other.  

 

This actually bolsters my point further. You're right, you don't just get the keys if you just joined ANTIFA. Therefore, the website was handled by the leaders/higher ups of the group. However, they violated Patreon's community guidelines even though they agreed to terms when they opened their account. One of the responsibilities of being a leader is to set a good example for others. If the leaders of your group went as far as to violate the "Bullying, Harassment, and Hate Speech" and "Facilitating Harmful or Dangerous Activity" clauses, then that group is simply not a good group.



Aura7541 said:
the-pi-guy said:

It's not like when you join ANTIFA you get keys to their website.  ANTIFA (much like you've said of the alt-right in posts in the past) is made up of a variety of different groups that don't have connection with eachother.  Their motivated by the same goal (being anti-fascist), but they operate separately with no connections between each other.  

 

This actually bolsters my point further. You're right, you don't just get the keys if you just joined ANTIFA. Therefore, the website was handled by the leaders/higher ups of the group. However, they violated Patreon's community guidelines even though they agreed to terms when they opened their account. One of the responsibilities of being a leader is to set a good example for others. If the leaders of your group went as far as to violate the "Bullying, Harassment, and Hate Speech" and "Facilitating Harmful or Dangerous Activity" clauses, then that group is simply not a good group.

I guess an easy way out of this for me is being an anti-fascist without being a member of Antifa, because then I don't have to be held accountable for their actions. Unfortunately though it's nearly impossible to achieve anything as an individual.