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Eh. Expected, but disappointing.



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couchmonkey said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Why does it have to be one or the other? Japanese developers have been stupid in the past, that doesn't mean they have to continue being stupid though. Western developers realised a long time ago that games should be multiplat by default, it's about time Japanese ones learned that too.

True, it doesn't have to be one or the other.  For me personally, if you take away the third party exclusives, Sony loses most of it's appeal to me, but that's a biased Nintendo fanboy opinon. :)  I do think it leaves Sony in a vulnerable state even if Japanese third parties started to treat Nintendo equally.

In this business, you cannot be pretty and dumb.

You have to be well balanced to reach the Numero Uno place.

Playstation consoles are the most balanced, with decent specs, great third party support, great exclusives, etc.

Of course the 3rd party support is one of the biggest appeals of PS consoles, but they are not the only one. It would be silly to think that.



ThisGuyFooks said:
Ljink96 said:

And the industry 30 years ago said gaming was a fad in the largest gaming market at that time, the US. Even with the DS Nintendo had to learn the hard way. Was the DS a fad too? No, it was subject to new forces in the industry. All I'm saying is, being straightforward consoles without any real innovation can help or hurt a company. Right now it's helping, sure. But we don't know what's going to be the norm another 30 years from now. Could be a PS10 that just has more horse power, could be PS Mind Toy. I feel that Sony is just playing it too safe in this regard.

The innovation lies within the games, not the console. 50 years ago scientists were saying that smoking was good for your health and didnt harm the baby in pregnant woman. Who cares about what people were saying 30 years ago? We are in the cusp of console technology. Every posibility that is ahead of what we have now cannot be done in the short term. VR is in its infancy, and controlling a videogame with the mind is just without reach in our lifetime, i wouldnt bother about it.

I think as mobile chips like the Tegra continue to evolve, handheld gaming will meet console gaming at a standoff and whoever spent more time in that area will reap the rewards. There's going to come a time where consoles and handhelds will be evenly matched but one of these devices, you can take anywhere. Sure there's always going to be a market for those who are fine with no change, but if I were Sony I'd be investing heavily in mobile content (which they really aren't as Serkan Toto pointed out they have one mobile game and it's a flop) and I'd be investing in dedicated mobile gaming with HD out. But that's kind of difficult right now for them as the leader in this tech, Nvidia has struck a multidecade deal with Nintendo and their chips are only going to get closer and closer to parity with current gen consoles. They can do their own deal with AMD but after this news I doubt it. 

Im not tech savy, ill pass on this one. People here can give their opinion in regards of Home Console vs Handheld Console when it comes to power. From what ive seen, they have never been equal. The handheld is always less powerful.

As a Sony and Nintendo fan I feel Sony isn't future proofing themselves and Nintendo is as strange and impossible as it sounds. PSVR is their only forward thinking move at this point. All I'm saying is, the tech industry is moving too fast for PS to not pay attention to devices like the Switch or put their hat in the ring. Can you imagine a world where Nintendo never pursued handheld gaming after the Gameboy if the Gamegear killed it in sales? Nintendo would be miserable as a console only maker. But these are all what ifs, I understand the argument that Sony should focus on what works for them but I hope Sony is paying attention. Sony's issue right now is that they see Switch as only a handheld when indeed it's a hybrid device so they don't feel the need to retaliate. I think they'll choose a different tone when the Switch's generation is over.

LMAO, you are talking about the Switch like it is some kind of tech that were given to is by Aliens. It is a Handheld that can be connected to the TV, nothing more, nothing less. Which BTW has been done before, without success but still. Sony's tone will be the same after the Switch, a well made, capable console with the best 3rd party support and one of the best studios.

You're ignoring the progress mobile chips have made over the past 6 years. It's a jump way larger than that of the NES to Gamecube. I suggest watching this video to get up to speed about the future of dedicated mobile chipsets.

Handhelds in the past and now are weaker than current consoles. Actually, there was one exception back in 1989 where the Gameboy was more powerful than the NES. But as I said, the leap in power for mobile chips is insane and if things continue to trend this way, they'll reach some kind of parity.

And no, I don't think the Switch is something given to us by ailens...where did you even come up with that? It has more to do with getting on board with future proof tech than anything else. Sony has lost Japan, they've lost it. A huge gaming market over there belongs to mobile and Nintendo. They need to do SOMETHING in Japan. We'll see what happens though. All I know is the prospect of having console style games anywhere and executing that plan well is the future of gaming. I know the Switch isn't the first console to do TV out on a handheld...hell the Gamegear did that. but the way our society has become so mobile, it will almost be laughable if a device of some sort isn't portable. Hell, there'll probably be a time if we're on the earth so long that consoles and handhelds won't exist. Smart devices will probably be able to handle AAA gaming and the rest will be history. I don't like the prospect but it's almost inevitable. Everybody grows attached to the way they've known something but like I said the industry is moving at a pace where staying stagnant won't prove beneficial. 

Switch is just the beginning of it all. Did you see the way Digital Foundry were losing their Shit when they saw Doom running on such a small device at the rate it was running? They know that shit's about to get real in the mobile chip space and simply being one device won't cut it once these chips evolve even further.



Ljink96 said:
ThisGuyFooks said:

And no, I don't think the Switch is something given to us by ailens...where did you even come up with that? It has more to do with getting on board with future proof tech than anything else. Sony has lost Japan, they've lost it. A huge gaming market over there belongs to mobile and Nintendo. They need to do SOMETHING in Japan. We'll see what happens though. All I know is the prospect of having console style games anywhere and executing that plan well is the future of gaming. I know the Switch isn't the first console to do TV out on a handheld...hell the Gamegear did that. but the way our society has become so mobile, it will almost be laughable if a device of some sort isn't portable. Hell, there'll probably be a time if we're on the earth so long that consoles and handhelds won't exist. Smart devices will probably be able to handle AAA gaming and the rest will be history. I don't like the prospect but it's almost inevitable. Everybody grows attached to the way they've known something but like I said the industry is moving at a pace where staying stagnant won't prove beneficial. 

Switch is just the beginning of it all. Did you see the way Digital Foundry were losing their Shit when they saw Doom running on such a small device at the rate it was running? They know that shit's about to get real in the mobile chip space and simply being one device won't cut it once these chips evolve even further.

                               

How can you say Sony lost Japan when this year alone the PS4 got games like Nioh, Persona 5, Nier Automata, Yakuza 0 and Kiwami, etc (without taking into consideration the ones that have released, and will be released next year and beyond).

Because the Switch is selling more than the PS4 in Japan in most weeks? So? How about the rest of the world? For the developers it doesnt matter wher the money comes from, money is money.

The Japanese market are Pro Handheld and that is no secret. It is also common knowledge that Sony failed at the handheld market. But that isnt the whole picture.

Where are the japanese games? Who's got better japanese 3rd party support?

Like i said, the Switch in my opinion is not revolutionary. Not at all.

It is a well presented idea with a well made machine. That is it. It wont be replacing the videogame model that we know, at least not in my lifetime. Both markets will always co-exist. The stationary console, and the portable console.

I think Nintendo should release a cheaper, non portable Switch BTW.

 



Considering Sony barely mentions the Vita at gaming events for years now, it's not really surprising.



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ThisGuyFooks said:
Ljink96 said:
                                How can you say Sony lost Japan when this year alone the PS4 got games like Nioh, Persona 5, Nier Automata, Yakuza 0 and Kiwami, etc (without taking into consideration the ones that have released, and will be released next year and beyond).

Because the Switch is selling more than the PS4 in Japan in most weeks? So? How about the rest of the world? For the developers it doesnt matter wher the money comes from, money is money.

The Japanese market are Pro Handheld and that is no secret. It is also common knowledge that Sony failed at the handheld market. But that isnt the whole picture.

Where are the japanese games? Who's got better japanese 3rd party support?

Like i said, the Switch in my opinion is not revolutionary. Not at all.

It is a well presented idea with a well made machine. That is it. It wont be replacing the videogame model that we know, at least not in my lifetime. Both markets will always co-exist. The stationary console, and the portable console.

I think Nintendo should release a cheaper, non portable Switch BTW.

 

LOL, why are you bringin up the rest of the world if I was talking about Sony losing Japan? Japan is pro handheld but again we all forget it's a hybrid device. That's what Nintendo is selling it as so that's what I'm basing it off of.  Having games on PS4 in Japan doesn't mean you've won that region...it just means you have games on PS4 in Japan. Switch has simply taken over there and sure they have Monster Hunter World coming (and apparently Switch has its own new MH coming) but after MHW which isn't even really an exclusive and Dragon Quest XI also not exclusive, and KH3 also not exclusive, and FFVII...also not exclusive, but after all these games come to PS4 I see the PS4 in Japan taking 4th place behind Switch, 3DS, and Vita maybe 3rd before Vita.

But if we want to include the rest of the world, yeah Sony is killing it to their credit. If Sony failed the handheld market in Japan...why has it outsold the PS4 in Japan? There's room and a need for PS handheld product as it creates competition which is healthy for Nintendo and Sony. Right now, sure PS4 has more Japanese games...it has been out for 4 going on 5 years and swich 9 months. But the support it is getting is still amazing. Not to mention Nintendo's 1st party output on the console which rivals much of the Jap support on PS4 alone. 

I never said Switch was revolutionary, but it is the future of gaming in my eyes. You don't have to believe it, I don't expect you to believe it, and you know...you shouldn't believe it. Believe what you want because at the end of the day it's just a prediction. Just never say never in the field of technology. That's one word that great engineers, hardware or software, never use. 



They said "No" to the original Vita, 2 years after it's release.

Let's be honest, they can barely support PS4 with their first party output. They would crash and burn if they had to support more than one platform, third parties are a BIG, BIG, factor in what makes PlayStation so appealing.



Sony established a PlayStation development studio and publisher for Android OS & IOS, that's Sony's mobile platform. The Largest Mobile Platform'
With dual shock support on not Just Xperia smart phones and tablets But Other Models As Well, as well as virtual game pad controls, there really is no need at this point to make a play for dedicated game handhelds , since now everyone's smartphone be that iOS or Android OS , can be a PlayStation node.

He'll PlayStation App for checking trophy and message Voice And Text services are already in iOS and Android OS. In Limited Form As Of Now, But They Cam grow Mobile Playstation On Android OS & IOS.

 

Example:

 

What is ForwardWorks?

Sony sums it up best: “ForwardWorks Corporation (ForwardWorks) [is] a new company that is aimed to deploy new services toward the ever-expanding smart device market. ForwardWorks will begin its operation from April 1st, 2016. ForwardWorks will leverage the intellectual property of the numerous PlayStation dedicated software titles and its gaming characters as well as the knowledge and know-how of gaming development expertise which was acquired over the years with PlayStation business to provide gaming application optimized for smart devices including smartphones to users in Japan and Asia. The company will aim to deliver users with opportunity to casually enjoy full-fledged game titles in the new field of the smart device market.”

The short, non-PR version of that is ForwardWorks is a games studio in Sony that is being tasked with bringing iterations of games and characters from its back catalog to Android and iOS.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

If the Switch competes really well with PS4 getting close or even overtaking ps4 sales you can be sure some sort of hybrid device will be in their thinking for future models. It may not follow the Switch model directly but will likely be heavily influenced by it. I love the Vita but it has many issues which could have been easily resolved at the design stage. Including better compatibility with the dual shock and of course using standard memory cards. The initial model was too expensive with a OLED display which kept prices high and meant a slow uptake. Yes the display is great but most didn't want to pay for it and would have been happy with standard LCD. It's oval shape is a little annoying too meaning just slightly too big for many pockets. It is a great gaming gadget but it could have been so much better.



FallingTitan said:
Nintendo must be so happy. No more competition in the hand held market.

Hope this means they dont cost cut on the next generation 3ds since now they dont have to compete with anything.

like make a 1080p screen now 720p to save 10 cents a glass.

Disagree. Nintendo crush the Sony handheld two times. In dedicaded portable market, Nintendo never lose. Atari, Sega, Bandai, Sony all lose for Nintendo.