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Soundwave on 06 September 2017
iron_megalith said:
monocle_layton said:

Seriously. Kids just want to be safe and enjoy life :/

 

Everyone wants that. But you have to follow the procedures. It's not their fault but we need to stop enabling the dumb parents for abusing such.

Those who are waiting in line, what makes them less privilleged to get here than those "Dreamers"?

I mean for fuck's sakes. My mother left us in 2006.  My father and I waited for years to properly enter. Sadly though, he died of cancer before we even got approved. I was the only one that got in. 

Can someone tell me with a fucking straight face now that I am less privilleged. That I am expected to follow the system while others have complete disregard of it and are given special treatment. 

We missed a lot of years of potential Christmas celebrations with our family members. I didn't have a god damn last christmas nor a fucking conversation with my cousin before he comitted suicide. My father did not make it to recieve treatment for his cancer because the dates weren't current.  Seriously where's our fucking rights then? Am I lesser compared to them? Is this not injustice?

Before someone fights for their rights, will no one fight for mine? A legal immigrant who followed the system and went through hell equally as worse as the other? 

Any special treatment given to them makes me feel robbed. And nobody can give me back those 10 years. The only peace I can get from this is to have such enabling laws that entice illegals to come in and be previlleged while they enjoy welfare bullshit that us legal residents and taxpayers shoulder. WE FUCKING NEED REFORM AND CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON.

I would think having gone through that you wouldn't want others to go through the same. What, is having other people suffer and have their families torn apart going bring you some satisfaction? Like I understand you're upset, but I don't understand why you would want others to go through that same process, just seems petty to me. 

Odds are even for Trump, these people will be allowed to stay because even on the Republican side and even from Trump himself I think there is fair amount of pressure to not do something rash. That's why they've extended the deadline to 6 months, so that congress will be able to come up with a way to allow these people to stay legally.

Legalize them. Period. Anything short of that is going to be an ugly chapter in US history and there will be a reckoning coming for Republicans in the long run if they think they can keep alienating the Hispanic population forever. If they brand themselves with that image, they are going to pay for it in future elections. 



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irstupid on 06 September 2017
Soundwave said:
iron_megalith said:

Everyone wants that. But you have to follow the procedures. It's not their fault but we need to stop enabling the dumb parents for abusing such.

Those who are waiting in line, what makes them less privilleged to get here than those "Dreamers"?

I mean for fuck's sakes. My mother left us in 2006.  My father and I waited for years to properly enter. Sadly though, he died of cancer before we even got approved. I was the only one that got in. 

Can someone tell me with a fucking straight face now that I am less privilleged. That I am expected to follow the system while others have complete disregard of it and are given special treatment. 

We missed a lot of years of potential Christmas celebrations with our family members. I didn't have a god damn last christmas nor a fucking conversation with my cousin before he comitted suicide. My father did not make it to recieve treatment for his cancer because the dates weren't current.  Seriously where's our fucking rights then? Am I lesser compared to them? Is this not injustice?

Before someone fights for their rights, will no one fight for mine? A legal immigrant who followed the system and went through hell equally as worse as the other? 

Any special treatment given to them makes me feel robbed. And nobody can give me back those 10 years. The only peace I can get from this is to have such enabling laws that entice illegals to come in and be previlleged while they enjoy welfare bullshit that us legal residents and taxpayers shoulder. WE FUCKING NEED REFORM AND CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON.

I would think having gone through that you wouldn't want others to go through the same. What, is having other people suffer and have their families torn apart going bring you some satisfaction? Like I understand you're upset, but I don't understand why you would want others to go through that same process, just seems petty to me. 

Odds are even for Trump, these people will be allowed to stay because even on the Republican side and even from Trump himself I think there is fair amount of pressure to not do something rash. That's why they've extended the deadline to 6 months, so that congress will be able to come up with a way to allow these people to stay legally.

Legalize them. Period. Anything short of that is going to be an ugly chapter in US history and there will be a reckoning coming for Republicans in the long run if they think they can keep alienating the Hispanic population forever. If they brand themselves with that image, they are going to pay for it in future elections. 

His personal example I would think of as more like a kidney transplant victim dying because they are too low down in the line, yet someone who just found out they need a transplant jumped them in line because they had money/connections, or some other fishy/illegal method.

America like anything else is not limitless in its resources. We can't take in and feed/house/work, take care of every refugee, alien, immigrant, ect in the entire world. So you need some sort of a legal and fair way to bring in people. So iron_megalith and many other legal immigrants should feel upset when they do things the right and legal way and others bypass the system.



iron_megalith on 06 September 2017
Soundwave said:
iron_megalith said:

Everyone wants that. But you have to follow the procedures. It's not their fault but we need to stop enabling the dumb parents for abusing such.

Those who are waiting in line, what makes them less privilleged to get here than those "Dreamers"?

I mean for fuck's sakes. My mother left us in 2006.  My father and I waited for years to properly enter. Sadly though, he died of cancer before we even got approved. I was the only one that got in. 

Can someone tell me with a fucking straight face now that I am less privilleged. That I am expected to follow the system while others have complete disregard of it and are given special treatment. 

We missed a lot of years of potential Christmas celebrations with our family members. I didn't have a god damn last christmas nor a fucking conversation with my cousin before he comitted suicide. My father did not make it to recieve treatment for his cancer because the dates weren't current.  Seriously where's our fucking rights then? Am I lesser compared to them? Is this not injustice?

Before someone fights for their rights, will no one fight for mine? A legal immigrant who followed the system and went through hell equally as worse as the other? 

Any special treatment given to them makes me feel robbed. And nobody can give me back those 10 years. The only peace I can get from this is to have such enabling laws that entice illegals to come in and be previlleged while they enjoy welfare bullshit that us legal residents and taxpayers shoulder. WE FUCKING NEED REFORM AND CALIFORNIA NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON.

I would think having gone through that you wouldn't want others to go through the same. What, is having other people suffer and have their families torn apart going bring you some satisfaction? Like I understand you're upset, but I don't understand why you would want others to go through that same process, just seems petty to me. 

Odds are even for Trump, these people will be allowed to stay because even on the Republican side and even from Trump himself I think there is fair amount of pressure to not do something rash. That's why they've extended the deadline to 6 months, so that congress will be able to come up with a way to allow these people to stay legally.

Legalize them. Period. Anything short of that is going to be an ugly chapter in US history and there will be a reckoning coming for Republicans in the long run if they think they can keep alienating the Hispanic population forever. If they brand themselves with that image, they are going to pay for it in future elections. 

I bare no resentment towards the law nor America's immigration policies. If they so choose to change it, then do so with due process. Not this line cutting bullshit that you people seem to enable. And also don't make it sound like I'm the bad person here who becomes ecstatic at seeing someone suffer. PLEASE FUCKING STOP THAT BULLSHIT NOTION.

First of all, it was an immigrant application. We are trying to appeal to them. We are not previlleged people who gets a free pass for anything. I say people should stop being so fucking damn entitled and suck it up. They're not fighting for something that is right. This is merely greedy on their part as it is a slap to people like me who are law abiding citizens. If they fail to impose the rule of law, then why the fuck do I have to pay those god damn taxes? Why do I have to respect the officers or this god damn government.

Again. Are you telling me that I'm an idiot for following the standard procedures? Are you telling me that I am a fucking stupid sheep who should've just went with my mother and immigrated illegally? Because this is what people who are ok with this nonsense are kinda saying. They are allowing such farce to happen with full god damn consent.



NintendoPie on 06 September 2017

All immigration is evil. No one should move anywhere. Get rid of it all!



Mystro-Sama on 06 September 2017

Makes sense. Doesn't really seem logical to reward someone who breaks the rules.



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TK-Karma on 06 September 2017
Mystro-Sama said:
Makes sense. Doesn't really seem logical to reward someone who breaks the rules.

Hmm ... it's arguable as to whether the children can really be accused of breaking the rules, though. For one, it's safe to assume that pretty much no child would just leave their parents, because their parents were planning to illegally enter another country for their benefit. Secondly, if in other areas of law, where children are unable to give informed consent on various topics, it's debatable that such logic be extended to this type of situation too. They've just been brought along for the ride. It's a pretty grey area either way :(



fatslob-:O on 06 September 2017

People forget that DACA was NEVER a 'law' to begin with ...

It was only Obama's mandate that Trump chose not to continue but it's not like anyone will listen to reason anymore so why bother when hating is easier ...



Soundwave on 06 September 2017
NintendoPie said:
All immigration is evil. No one should move anywhere. Get rid of it all!

The only people who should be allowed to live in America in that case

You too Melania. Take your ass back to Slovenia. 



Locknuts on 06 September 2017
TK-Karma said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Makes sense. Doesn't really seem logical to reward someone who breaks the rules.

Hmm ... it's arguable as to whether the children can really be accused of breaking the rules, though. For one, it's safe to assume that pretty much no child would just leave their parents, because their parents were planning to illegally enter another country for their benefit. Secondly, if in other areas of law, where children are unable to give informed consent on various topics, it's debatable that such logic be extended to this type of situation too. They've just been brought along for the ride. It's a pretty grey area either way :(

The children haven't broken the rules, but they obtained citizenship as proceeds of a crime, which is illegal. The parents have put their children in a horrible situation.

If you steal a car and then give it to your children, they won't be allowed to keep the car. This is provided that GTA was a crime at the time of the theft.



fatslob-:O on 06 September 2017
Soundwave said:

The only people who should be allowed to live in America in that case

*snip*

You too Melania. Take your ass back to Slovenia. 

Yeah, no ... 

America as we know it today was created specifically because of colonization and rebellion, not immigration ... 

It's strange how liberals and the #NeverTrumpers won't try to study their own nation's history of origin ...