You are correct that they would not get to keep the car but they certainly would not be punished by prison or eviction either. The problem is that there seems to be no middle ground. I understand being harsh towards adults but being that harsh to children, whom we all swear to protect first and foremost, is cruel and insinsitive. There must be a better way.

If it is not their fault, and we know that children are not legally able to make these kinds of decisions nor are they able to maintain a lifestyle without their adult mentors, it seems irresponsible to then treat them as though it is their fault and they can make due with the consequences and reprucussions. You need to be far more pragmatic than that.

America has always been a multi-ethnic state and always will be, moreso in the future. 

Besides what's so great about "colonization", it's nothing to neccessarily be proud about. 

And many thousands are immigrants here, including many Irish, Italian, Dutch, German, French settlers who arrived after the colonization. They came for same reason people come today. Very few Americans actually are direct descendants of those original colonizing Americans. At some point virtually everyone's family here was an immigrant. 

Okay ...

1. This is not true, the main settlers of United States came from either Britain, France or Spain all of which have related caucasian origins  ... 

2. I have no opinion on this but there are many others who would disagree since their so proud of their heritage ... 

Before American settlers declared independence they used to be subjects of the British monarchy and in just the 12 short years of the revolution those 13 colonies became the most powerful and greatest nation on earth on their day of independence and was the experiment of a new republic ... 

America is one of the nations to both achieve absolute independence by force and evolve to become democratic too so that might very well be something to be proud of ... 

3. Most of those immigrants didn't come here for a better life since each of these nations underwent industrialization at nearly the same time, they came because they wanted a republican state to avoid monarchies. It's the same reason why the constituents in France shortly took after to America's example and proceeded in the name of achieving a republican state ... (the same happened later on for many other western european nations) 

4. That is also not true, the vast majority of americans today are direct descendents ... (those immigrants also had to have sooner or later had offsprings with desecendants of those settlers making their childrens also direct descendents too in the end going by the numbers) 

We already invested tax dollars to educating them and giving them opportunities to serve the United States and pay back with taxes. This is a waste and will have a large negative effect on the economy, many innocent lives and is only being done to appease the truly ignorant nationalist that have nothing better to do than blame their boogymen for their own failures in being successful. This is affecting people that have been forced here by their parents and only know English and skills developed here, sending them back to Mexico shows how cowardly and truly terrible the president and all of his supporters are

Yeah that's pretty much the point I was trying to make :) The fact that this is a grey area makes it even more painful, because people "could" be left in a position where they don't have to suffer, but instead, they shall by human choice.

Then why didn't Obama push harder for their naturalization and go the extra mile for enforcing immigration policies? He shouldn't be talking shit at Trump because he has a hand in this fucking mess. He did a half-assed job by leaving a temporary stop gap such as this that is so fucking exploitablr. Are you seriously buying into this crap?

Take California for example. They're enabling illegal immigrants by giving them all the bullshit welfare crap yet those who contributed are given a smaller and sometimes a hard time.

Most white Americans cannot trace their lineage to 1775 (American indepedence):

https://www.quora.com/About-what-percentage-of-white-Americans-today-descend-from-immigrants-who-arrived-after-the-Revolutionary-War

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2013/10/03/what-percentage-of-u-s-population-is-foreign-born/

That means even their families at some point were immigrants here. 

Industrialization doesn't change anything, there were plenty of Irish, Italians, Dutch, Germans, French, etc. that came to America looking for better oppurtunity. Kinda the same reason Mexican people come today. Hell, Trump's own family does not extend very far back in the US, his grandfather came to the US in the 1800s ... look for (you guessed it) better oppurtunities to raise his family in. 

There's always been several million Mexicans in America from the point that California, New Mexico, Utah, (basically the entire West Coast) etc. became states ... these people were there before anyone else already as that was Mexico to begin with. The border was redrawn around where they already lived, they didn't immigrate anywhere. 

On top of that 25% of the population in the very first census (circa 1776) were African American slaves who basically built much of the nation. That means even in the 1700s, the US already had a larger portion of a non-white population than many multicultural European countries do today. And then you had Chinese laborers too. So America has always been a multi-ethnic settler nation.

Because he was obstructed at every turn by freakishly hysterical Republicans who blocked every thing he would propose. If it was entirely up to Obama, this would've been open and shut. 

Trump will likely just "rebrand" DACA, make it law and take credit for it, much like he takes credit for Obama's economy (dude hasn't passed any financial legislation to begin with, Republicans can't even get a budget passed). It seems like even he does not want this on his plate because there are real consequences to this and he knows full well it will lead to very ugly TV for him.

Most Americans agree actually that the solution here is simple: legalize illegals who have been here and have no criminal record. Get them paying taxes if they're not. Republican party is held hostage by the fanatical lunatic fringe of their party, that's the hold up, it's 10% of the country holding the rest at gun point, but even on this I don't think even Trump agrees with that lunatic fringe. 

Latino community is a huge part of America and they contribute massively to the US, I read a study showing more than 70% of new small businesses in the US come from the Latino/Hispanic demographic group ... they are absolutely driving new business in this country. 

Just like how everything Trump does is blocked by Democrats right?

No. His failure is inexcusable. Same with the rest that went before him. This wasn't some overnight problem. This accumulated through time. Everyone just let them be as if they're given full consent. As I said before in some threads, small problems are always ignored, up until it blows in everyone's faces. We never learn.

Also that study is nice and all but that doesn't represent the problems we have with enforcing immigration policies. I say America needs to be less socialistic and reassess the middle grounds to find a much fair stand point in this matter. If done legally that these kids are given opportunities to be legal citizens, then by all means do it but don't leave them in status quo because they're "special". However I do not agree if such laws or acts will be abused by future illegal immigrants. Putting a catch basin on a broken pipe is not a permanent fix. And this is what Obama did with his DACA. Left it as such. He had so much time to push his agendas and step on people's foot but he never addressed the problem with enforcing immigration on the problematic states.