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vivster on 18 July 2017
sethnintendo said:
vivster said:

The difference being that Obama didn't make a million unkeepable promises at once and then claimed everyone else is shit at their job but him.

Obama didn't achieve some of his goals but at least he didn't make impossible promises and then was an asshole about it. Has he blamed not being able to close Gitmo on McCain?

Heard on NPR radio today but it is a good point.  Guy was saying that Democrats laid down for Obama to pass something (the ACA) early even though it cost them their jobs in 2010 elections.  Right now Republicans aren't willing to lay down for Trump to pass anything besides maybe a tax cut for the rich.  Republicans are pretty much the worst people to talk about improving the overpriced for profit healthcare market in the USA.  They can't come up with shit because they are pretty much battling a flawed system.  So it comes down to there wont be shit done on healthcare for another 2 years now because they can't come up with the votes to even bring it up to debate.  Sorry not even sure why I'm talking about healthcare but I saw McCain and knew he was in surgery/recovery and waiting to come back to somehow move shit forward but 2 republicans just switched to no vote.

I have to say though I'm pretty surprised. I did not expect that there were still so many people with spines left in the Republican party. I actually thought it was game over after the Reps gained majority everywhere.

The problem with fixing Obamacare is that Obamacare is already gutted to a point where it is not working. The only way to fix it is to spend more on it and increase taxes and have a proper individual mandate. Republicans are now maybe realizing that it's impossible to fix it by spending less on healthcare.

Obamacare is broken not because people are paying too much, it's broken because not everone is paying and too little.



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LurkerJ on 18 July 2017
vivster said:
LurkerJ said:

I LOVE this. It's one of Obama's best decisions and I am glad Trump has realised that.

This is confusing me though, I have no idea what the Saudis paid up all that money for. Just to green-light Bin Salman's accession to the throne? Hilarious

I also can't wait to see Breitbart's spin on the story, if anyone knows what there take is on this, link me up!

I'm going to argue that Trump has not realized a single thing in the past 2 years. I very much doubt he has even the slightest why this deal is good or important. He couldn't even point at Iran on a map.

He's just going through the motions and sometimes does and sometimes doesn't do what people tell him.

Not gonna defend him. I am fine assuming Trump's higher ups explained to him that the Iran deal is a red line he can't cross. It doesn't matter to me, I am just happy that the middleastern monarchs' plans to isolate Iran don't seem to be working. Obama's ghost is still lingering there and it's hilarious to watch.



vivster on 18 July 2017
LurkerJ said:
vivster said:

I'm going to argue that Trump has not realized a single thing in the past 2 years. I very much doubt he has even the slightest why this deal is good or important. He couldn't even point at Iran on a map.

He's just going through the motions and sometimes does and sometimes doesn't do what people tell him.

Not gonna defend him. I am fine assuming Trump's higher ups explained to him that the Iran deal is a red line he can't cross. It doesn't matter to me, I am just happy that the middleastern monarchs' plans to isolate Iran don't seem to be working. Obama's ghost is still lingering there and it's hilarious to watch.

I don't really get all the conspiracies about shiites and sunnites and Saudis. From my point of view Iran managed quite well to isolate itself by having extreme fundamentalists at their top.



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sethnintendo on 18 July 2017
LurkerJ said:
vivster said:

I'm going to argue that Trump has not realized a single thing in the past 2 years. I very much doubt he has even the slightest why this deal is good or important. He couldn't even point at Iran on a map.

He's just going through the motions and sometimes does and sometimes doesn't do what people tell him.

Not gonna defend him. I am fine assuming Trump's higher ups explained to him that the Iran deal is a red line he can't cross. It doesn't matter to me, I am just happy that the middleastern monarchs' plans to isolate Iran don't seem to be working. Obama's ghost is still lingering there and it's hilarious to watch.

I wouldn't say it is hilarious but I'd say I'm a little cautious of this world now that we elected an idiot.



Lafiel on 18 July 2017
sethnintendo said:
Lafiel said:

it's pretty easy, as Flilix hinted at Saudi Arabia is engaged in an islamic cold war with Iran over religion and regional influence and additionally Iran has called for the destruction of Israel for decades, so both of the US's/West's most influential allies in the region are unhappy with Iran gaining power/respect

Perhaps we shouldn't have invaded Iraq who was controlled by a Sunni Ba'athist which is a majority Shiite country.

perhaps the US shouldn't have replaced a democratically elected PM with an eratic and brutal dictator/monarch in 1953 (the CIA documents on this are public), just to get american/british petrol corps a 50% cut of Iran's oil revenue

he obviously was replaced by a hardcore theocratic regime in 1979, which as a result was very much anti-US/West

the theocratic takeover in Iran prompted the US to back Saddam Hussein, which led to the rest of the middle eastern chaos



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sethnintendo on 18 July 2017
Lafiel said:
sethnintendo said:

Perhaps we shouldn't have invaded Iraq who was controlled by a Sunni Ba'athist which is a majority Shiite country.

perhaps the US shouldn't have replaced the democratically elected PM with an eratic and brutal dictator/monarch in 1953 (the CIA documents on this are public), just to get american/british petrol corps a 50% cut of Irans oil revenue

he obviously was replaced by a hardcore theocratic regime in 1979, which as a result was very much anti-US/West

the theocratic takeover in Iran prompted the US to back Saddam Hussein, which led to the rest of the middle eastern chaos

Yea perhaps we shouldn't have fucked up Iran in 79 also.



Locknuts on 18 July 2017
vivster said:
Locknuts said:
He didn't think it would work. It seems to be working. He's keeping it. Smart move.

If he thinks it's working then why is he so reluctant? Sounds more like he got yet again had to be told what he had to do by people who are smarter than him.

Breaking campaign promises left and right does not sound like a smart move to me.

Your whole position on Trump seems to be geared around him being some kind of idiot who somehow fell into  $4 billion and the Presidency of the USA.

People seem to constantly underestimate this man. I guess because he looks funny and talks funny.

To answer the question though: politics. Since when has a sitting president praised the policies of his immediate predecessor from another political party? It doesn't happen in any country around the world. It's policy that works, so he needs to leave it and shut up.



LurkerJ on 18 July 2017
vivster said:
LurkerJ said:

Not gonna defend him. I am fine assuming Trump's higher ups explained to him that the Iran deal is a red line he can't cross. It doesn't matter to me, I am just happy that the middleastern monarchs' plans to isolate Iran don't seem to be working. Obama's ghost is still lingering there and it's hilarious to watch.

I don't really get all the conspiracies about shiites and sunnites and Saudis. From my point of view Iran managed quite well to isolate itself by having extreme fundamentalists at their top.

as opposed to... the Saudis? the main exporter of wahhabism?

I do agree that It's never truly about religion, that's just what the monarchs feed their people. I don't know the real reasons behind Obama's pivot towards Iran as well, but it will be interesting to watch.



sethnintendo on 18 July 2017
LurkerJ said:
vivster said:

I don't really get all the conspiracies about shiites and sunnites and Saudis. From my point of view Iran managed quite well to isolate itself by having extreme fundamentalists at their top.

as opposed to... the Saudis? the main exporter of wahhabism?

I do agree that It's never truly about religion, that's just what the monarchs feed their people. I don't know the real reasons behind Obama's pivot towards Iran as well, but it will be interesting to watch.

Well didn't most of the hijackers of 9/11 supposedly come from Saudi Arabia?  We sure punished them hard.  Maybe not because Bush family and Saudis were butt buddies. 



vivster on 18 July 2017
Locknuts said:
vivster said:

If he thinks it's working then why is he so reluctant? Sounds more like he got yet again had to be told what he had to do by people who are smarter than him.

Breaking campaign promises left and right does not sound like a smart move to me.

Your whole position on Trump seems to be geared around him being some kind of idiot who somehow fell into  $4 billion and the Presidency of the USA.

People seem to constantly underestimate this man. I guess because he looks funny and talks funny.

To answer the question though: politics. Since when has a sitting president praised the policies of his immediate predecessor from another political party? It doesn't happen in any country around the world. It's policy that works, so he needs to leave it and shut up.

Yes, I am. And his true nature he is constantly showing proves it.

There are a lot of rich people that came to wealth by being smart. Trump is apparently not one of them. You don't need to be smart when you can pay smart people to think and do business for you. And Trump was rich from the very beginning.

Trump is a complete narcisistic moron that had money shoved up his ass from his childhood and thanks to being surrounded by ass lickers 24/7 his personality became that of a spoiled dictator. I mean look at the baby rages of him once someone is mean to him. He's like Kim Jong Un but with worse hair and thankfully less power.



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