How many of the 22 million were part of the people who were forced to buy it in the first place? In my early 20's not only did I not need health care, I didn't want it, and couldn't afford it. I was working contract IT jobs a lot. I would have hated to have this forced on me.
sethnintendo said:
Just think of all the road signs and mile markers that would need to be replaced. Not worth it in my book. I have no problem using the English system. Sure metric is easy because it goes by multiples of 10 but honestly we can just use the metric system when dealing with scientific experiments and what not. We use metric system for somethings already such as liters for large soda bottles. |
Yes, but all that work creates many jobs for many years. I believe it would be a state-by-state approach to adopt it. And it'd put some of our metal factories to use again. I know 5-10yrs isn't long, but that does temporarily boost the economy and lower the unemployment rate! 
| StarOcean said: Yes, but all that work creates many jobs for many years. I believe it would be a state-by-state approach to adopt it. And it'd put some of our metal factories to use again. I know 5-10yrs isn't long, but that does temporarily boost the economy and lower the unemployment rate! |
I suppose they could just throw that into the big infrastructure bill that USA needs badly. We spend trillions of dollars invading other countries but have left our own country to rot. I wouldn't have a problem with it unless the signs were made in another country.
| method114 said: How many of the 22 million were part of the people who were forced to buy it in the first place? In my early 20's not only did I not need health care, I didn't want it, and couldn't afford it. I was working contract IT jobs a lot. I would have hated to have this forced on me. |
"That estimate was the sum of two groups — a Medicaid group totalling 15 million people, and the non-group insurance market amounting to 7 million people."
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/52849-hr1628senate.pdf#page=15 here's the link to the CBO estimate itself.
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Ljink96 said:
The difference is, one guts healthcare for 22 Million people and cuts 250k off the wealthy...come on quit stunting. We know Trump's plan is complete garbage and even he criticized it. We can't act like Obamacare/Affordable Care Act is worse just because we don't like Obama. We have to move past that. The fact of the matter is Obama got millions of people insured under this Act while Trump is basically pressing CTRL+Z on the ACA which will kill millions of people. Please, let's be level headed here. |
One of the biggest complaints for Obama care didn't come from the wealthy, but the middle classes who by the way felt the stranggling steep costs. Also let's not just focus on Obama care but also focus on the misuse of such aids. We fail to look at the aspects of abuses.
JRPGfan said:
Trump version sucks alot more. Its going to kill people, and break the economy of familes for others. Meanwhile the rich (top 1-2%) will get tax breaks.
Its a reverse robin hood, hes takeing from the poor to give to the rich. |
Obamacare gave 7% healthcare by robbing the 75% in the middle. It is in no way acceptable.
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sethnintendo said:
I suppose they could just throw that into the big infrastructure bill that USA needs badly. We spend trillions of dollars invading other countries but have left our own country to rot. I wouldn't have a problem with it unless the signs were made in another country. |
Exactly. Part of why I'm so done with politics. Both parties care too much about policing the world versus spending money on this country. Our education system is shit, balancing our min. wage + cost of living has been broken for decades, and there's been no attempt to fix the ever growing divide this country has. Imo, this country has had an open wound for at least 100yrs, and instead of sew it we've only left it, letting it get infected. If nothing is done either a. we'll lose our place as the no. 1 superpower or b. we'll see more successful states eventually succeed from the US. Neither are preferrable. The best thing Trump has done was open the floodgates. He's exposed how tunnel visioned both sides are, and hopefully will teach Americans to take their politics more seriously. That being said, Reps and Dems are only throwing shit at each other. Honestly, the only difference between the two is that at least the Republicans are honest about not giving a shit about the country.
Torillian said:
"That estimate was the sum of two groups — a Medicaid group totalling 15 million people, and the non-group insurance market amounting to 7 million people."
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/52849-hr1628senate.pdf#page=15 here's the link to the CBO estimate itself. |
Ok good this is better. Now on the medicaid thing didn't Obama make some changes making it easier for people to get on medicaid? I had this one issue where the state of Texas put my daughter on medicaid when I was perfectly capable of paying for her insurance. Instead of the OAG sending a letter to my job forcing them to add my daughter to the insurance plan mid year they decided to just put her on medicaid.
I like medcaid and we do need it but we need to be careful were not making it so accessible that's it's easy to abuse.
| Gourmet said: I'm tired of reading "wealthy" and "super wealthy". How do people suppose they make money? What is getting a tax relief, exactly? Yes. Having contractors. Creating jobs. It's ridiculous how liberals try to spin it as something bad. |
They really arent creating jobs, they are hiring from the labor market. The peole who work for them are creating new jobs, because only they work and generate value.
This just in, 21.98 million of the people that do not find value in health insurance will no longer be forced to pay for health insurance.
In other, completely related, news, 20,000 people who want to be insured would be uninsured if this new health care act goes through because they cannot afford insurance.
In other, also related new, 22 million people will no longer be insured if the health care act goes through and much of the tax increases in the ACA will be removed.
Funny how a headline and selective data can change a story drastically. This is why you should never take a single news source at face value and try to read from multiple sources to get the real story. The "news" today is really only headlines and fluff. My numbers above are pure fluff
*Edit* I am posting this not in favor of Trumpcare, Obamacare, or any political party. This is just an observation that this and most news stories like it are severely biased and politically charged and so cannot be trusted.
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