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vivster on 06 February 2017
ps4tw said:

vivster said:

So how does that matter then if you're not reliant on Nintendo as your only gaming platform?

Let me remind you of my comment:

"So how much the Switch sells will be an indicator as to the direction Nintendo moves in the next few years. If you love Nintendo as they are today and the Switch has poor sales, that Nintendo will cease to exist in the near future. "

If you like Nintendo now, then if they keep making bad decisions, they will cease to exist in the future. Whether you like Nintendo or not is unrelated to being reliant on them as your only gaming platform (wtf?).

For some people it is that way. I really like Nintendo games, I own most of their consoles. If some day they are run into the ground by execs who don't know what they're doing it won't matter to me. The output of Nintendo first party games is already painstakingly slow, I wouldn't mind if they cease to exist. There will always be great games, I don't rely on Nintendo for them.

If anything I'd be happy to have to buy one useless piece of plastic less every cycle.



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AZWification on 06 February 2017
Barkley said:
AZWification said:

That guy seems to be having way too much fun..

Do you think he was directed to act like that? He chose to act like that? Or that's just how he actually is as a person? xD

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how he is, I've met some folks who are just as crazy as him when playing games..



                
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Barkley on 06 February 2017
AZWification said:
Barkley said:

Do you think he was directed to act like that? He chose to act like that? Or that's just how he actually is as a person? xD

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how he is, I've met some folks who are just as crazy as him when playing games..

From my experience it's the people that aren't generally gamers that go full on mental when the competition begins.



Peh on 06 February 2017
RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

Eh? Insulting someone but saying that they can change doesn't affect the insult in the slightest, if anything it emphasizes that you think they have a personal problem. No one is forever stuck in their ways. Offering your help to rectify a flaw in their person that you percieve is patronizing and potentially even more insulting.

It may not be an exactly suitable example but saying "You're stupid, but that can be changed, I can help with that." Is still very insulting.

Except that it isn't really an insult to begin with. If we asked Peh now how he would describe himself for believing what he read earlier, he'd say gullible because that accurately describes the situation. If you believe something simply because a lot of people say it instead of doing a fact-check on your own, then you are gullible. What people say could be right, but it can also be wrong. It doesn't hurt to do your own research and form your own educated opinion. The majority of that effort will come from the person himself, but if there's no knowledge of where information can be found, then I am going to help if I can help.

Edit because of your edit:

You're not here to tell people they have a problem in their personality and that you're going to fix it.

It's what I do. I am going to help people who have potential and those who I want to stick around. You aren't going to stop me.

I have no issue with people helping other people out, but you cannot do that by questioning their mental state first and then offer help second.

I once saw a teacher asking a fellow student if he has ADD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) infront of everyone else in the class. Meaning, she was asking if he was mentally retarted while in reality he wasn't. She made a short observation and concluded that she cannot explain his behaviour, so she asked him that and offered help and treatment. For someone who thinks he doesn't have a disorder like this or any other, this was pretty much insulting to him. Especially doing that infront of everyone else in the class instead of asking him personally.

I'm not going to add anything more to this, because it goes off-topic. But please, stop talking about me. It feels really arkward when 2 people argue about my mental issues while I am watching.



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potato_hamster on 06 February 2017

It matters to Nintendo as well. They need to demonstrate to their shareholders that making hardware is still the most profitable direction for the company to take. People seem to fail to understand that the amount of money they have in the bank, or breaking even, or even maintaining a small profit is completely irrelevant. Nintendo has shareholders and their executive branch of Nintendo is beholden to those people to maximize the profitability of that company.



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Barkley on 06 February 2017
potato_hamster said:
It matters to Nintendo as well. They need to demonstrate to their shareholders that making hardware is still the most profitable direction for the company to take. People seem to fail to understand that the amount of money they have in the bank, or breaking even, or even maintaining a small profit is completely irrelevant. Nintendo has shareholders and their executive branch of Nintendo is beholden to those people to maximize the profitability of that company.

I agree, people seem to just say "But if they still make a profit they'll keep making hardware!". But in reality it doesn't work like that. If there is a MORE profitable avenue for them to go down, they may take it. It's about achieving the most success, not enough success to keep doing what you're doing.



potato_hamster on 06 February 2017
Barkley said:
potato_hamster said:
It matters to Nintendo as well. They need to demonstrate to their shareholders that making hardware is still the most profitable direction for the company to take. People seem to fail to understand that the amount of money they have in the bank, or breaking even, or even maintaining a small profit is completely irrelevant. Nintendo has shareholders and their executive branch of Nintendo is beholden to those people to maximize the profitability of that company.

I agree, people seem to just say "But if they still make a profit they'll keep making hardware!". But in reality it doesn't work like that. If there is a MORE profitable avenue for them to go down, they may take it. It's about achieving the most success, not enough success to keep doing what you're doing.

It's why they started making iOS games. They clearly weren't happy with the profitability of the Wii U and 3DS and started to look into other revenue streams. If for example, Super Mario Run generates far more profit for Nintendo than Super Mario Odyssey, you can bet your ass Nintendo's mobile game projects are going to see a larger investment than their console game projects. Nintendo's executive will start green lighting more mobile games, and less consoles games because that would be where the money is now. If Nintendo's executive believe that Nintendo's IP will generate more profit for the company on Sony or Microsoft consoles, rather than on Nintendo consoles, then that is the direction they will take.


Why can't people see that? Why are people acting like Nintendo is a privately owned company where the owners can just sit back on their IP and make whatever the fans want as long as it makes a profit? Is it wishful thinking? Did they never take an economics course? Do they not know how investments work? I gave up trying to figure that out.



pray4mojo on 06 February 2017

Nope. What matters is how much Nintendo earns from it. They just need to make good money. If they do that, they'll stick around longer.



ps4tw on 06 February 2017
Barkley said:
potato_hamster said:
It matters to Nintendo as well. They need to demonstrate to their shareholders that making hardware is still the most profitable direction for the company to take. People seem to fail to understand that the amount of money they have in the bank, or breaking even, or even maintaining a small profit is completely irrelevant. Nintendo has shareholders and their executive branch of Nintendo is beholden to those people to maximize the profitability of that company.

I agree, people seem to just say "But if they still make a profit they'll keep making hardware!". But in reality it doesn't work like that. If there is a MORE profitable avenue for them to go down, they may take it. It's about achieving the most success, not enough success to keep doing what you're doing.

While this is sensible and would hold true in most companies, the issue is that Nintendo is still very "Japanese" in its business strategy i.e. scared of change. Even though for a long time it's been apparent that Western-style gaming is popular, Nintendo has refused to make any Western-orientated IP, and out of reluctance to change, they may not choose the most profitable avenue. 



Barkley on 06 February 2017
ps4tw said:
Barkley said:

I agree, people seem to just say "But if they still make a profit they'll keep making hardware!". But in reality it doesn't work like that. If there is a MORE profitable avenue for them to go down, they may take it. It's about achieving the most success, not enough success to keep doing what you're doing.

While this is sensible and would hold true in most companies, the issue is that Nintendo is still very "Japanese" in its business strategy i.e. scared of change. Even though for a long time it's been apparent that Western-style gaming is popular, Nintendo has refused to make any Western-orientated IP, and out of reluctance to change, they may not choose the most profitable avenue. 

I agree that it wouldn't be a change Nintendo would ever make lightly, it would be a very difficult and major decision. Considering they just had a change in President though there may be a change in doing things, or maybe not.


Regardless considering the Switch is just about here it won't be anything that happens in the next several years if at all, but if things go south with hardware they have shareholders to answer to.