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How are white people supposed to feel about their own race?

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barneystinson69 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

White people are a race the same way black people are a race.

 

They're not really races just classifications. I think it just makes it simpler for people. It's better classification for people in a biological sense aswell, Slavics, Whites and Arabs are all 'Caucasian Race' but that doesn't really help when outlining the differences for classification purposes.

Except blacks are a race, because they have differences between the rest.  You can't put people of the middle east and north africa into a different race than europeans, because they're genetically very similar. Their facial features and skull shapes are more comparitive too Europeans than they're too Asians or Blacks. Skin colour also is an issue, because many Europeans have different skin colours. Some can be as light as paper, while some can be quite dark. Similar thing with the middle east, only a bit darker on average.  But this is becoming an argument on biology, so I can assume we're OT now. 

Let me clarify.

White people are a race for the sake of Sociological conversation. Because it helps with clasification. But biologically, Arabs, Whites and Slavics are all the same race, but we don't refer to them as such because it makes things harder to comprehend when talking about different groups.

Seeing as this is a sociological topic, saying 'White people' is valid.



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White people should be proud for ending slavery after pretty much every single race of people have participated in it since before the biblical times.



I'm proud of my accomplishments and achievements. I'm happy with being my race (black) I wouldn't change it. But I don't really understand racial pride as it's not an achievement, or something you earned. You were born within a race and didn't have a choice, I don't understand the pride there.


BUT, I don't think that's what people mean when they have Black Pride, or Gay pride etc. It's more a situation of, people have tried to make me feel bad for being a certain way, and fuck you I'm happy with who I am.

So when people say white people shouldn't have white pride (it's wrong to say they shouldn't anyone has the right to be proud of their background) it's usually under the guise of, you haven't gone through what me and people who look like me went through whilst growing up, so you're saying this to try and belittle me.



biggamejames79 said:
White people should be proud for ending slavery after pretty much every single race of people have participated in it since before the biblical times.

Ended slavery? Tell that to Asia. 

White people should feel proud for ending slavery, but should they feel shame for fighting the end of slavery? This is where this kind of logic fails.

Ending of slavery should be credited to the people that lobbied for it to end and fought for it to end.



SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

Your thoughts on what I posted.

What, precisely, are you even saying?  Does a person have to be directly involved with the success to feel proud of that success?

No, they don't have to be directly involved but surely an involvement greater than just having matching skin tones would be ideal.

SpokenTruth said:

Tell me, do you not celebrate when your team wins?

Yes, I do.



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I don't know. I feel lucky to be white tbh.



KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

What, precisely, are you even saying?  Does a person have to be directly involved with the success to feel proud of that success?

No, they don't have to be directly involved but surely an involvement greater than just having matching skin tones would be ideal.


It's not that difficult to grasp, someone growing up a certain way and being made to feel like they're not as good, or bad or worthless can have a very negative impact on someone.

And then seeing someone with that same thing, wether it be skin tone, disability, social awkwardness, being a nerd etc succeed. You feel proud of their success and relate to it on a personal level.

It's psych 101 man

Edit: I had a really short hispanic friend growing up. And Rey Mysterio was his god. xD



ArchangelMadzz said:
KLAMarine said:

No, they don't have to be directly involved but surely an involvement greater than just having matching skin tones would be ideal.

It's not that difficult to grasp, someone growing up a certain way and being made to feel like they're not as good, or bad or worthless can have a very negative impact on someone.

And then seeing someone with that same thing, wether it be skin tone, disability, social awkwardness, being a nerd etc succeed. You feel proud of their success and relate to it on a personal level.

It's psych 101 man

Edit: I had a really short hispanic friend growing up. And Rey Mysterio was his god. xD

I can understand people relating to other people who are successful, sure. Collective racial pride itself is nonsense. No one ever put any work towards being born into the skin tone they were born into. People being proud of their skin color is silly. An achievement that requires zero effort.



KLAMarine said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

It's not that difficult to grasp, someone growing up a certain way and being made to feel like they're not as good, or bad or worthless can have a very negative impact on someone.

And then seeing someone with that same thing, wether it be skin tone, disability, social awkwardness, being a nerd etc succeed. You feel proud of their success and relate to it on a personal level.

It's psych 101 man

Edit: I had a really short hispanic friend growing up. And Rey Mysterio was his god. xD

I can understand people relating to other people who are successful, sure. Collective racial pride itself is nonsense. No one ever put any work towards being born into the skin tone they were born into. People being proud of their skin color is silly. An achievement that requires zero effort.

People only feel pride in their race/orientation/disability when others make them feel like they should feel bad for it.

I drink water a lot. But if a large group of people around me was telling me how awful I am for drinking water, and I'm worth less because of it. I'd think, "Fuck you, I like drinking water and proud of it, bitch" 

Silly example but I hope the idea came across..



DonFerrari said:
SpokenTruth said:

What, precisely, are you even saying?  Does a person have to be directly involved with the success to feel proud of that success?

Tell me, do you not celebrate when your team wins?

But somehow you want to say that only one is valid

Only one what is valid?   Feeling proud of others success because they represent you?   Or the feeling of pride because you are a part of a maligned group that rose above expectations and achieved success in a system that functions to hinder it?

Both are valid.  Both apply.  But both have different circumstances.

The difference is fan Johnny seeing hockey star Steve slap a puck in the goal is being proud of his team.  Steve doesn't represent the struggles, trial, tribulations and oppression that Johnny deals with because Johnny doesn't have those problems...so there is no association there.  Johnny is associated to Steve as a representative of his city.

Fan Tyrone seeing basketball star Deandre drive the paint and dunk is both being proud of his team and the achievements he makes despite the odds against him.  Those same odds Deandre faced, Tyrone faces.  It's watching as the world around you tells you that you are insignificant because of who you are and seeing a representative of that group defiantly stand against the oppression. 

 

If you think a black man is proud of another black man just because he's black, you've thrown an airball too.  You miss the reason. 

If you never ask why they are proud and only assume a reason...you know where that goes.



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