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Cant wait to play an open world zelda and HD pokemon on 1 device.



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Its true. And if the NX is this it will be a major success. I cant wait!!



MohammadBadir said:
"the last time Nintendo spent any time on the technological cutting edge - the Nintendo 64 era"

Everybody's always forgetting the GameCube ;(

That bugs me as well. It's only been two generations since Nintendo had the most powerful console on the market, yet everyone is always pretending like they never delivered cutting edge. Until the Wii they really only followed the 'cheap, mature parts' strategy established by Gunpei Yokoi for the gameboy in their mobile consoles.



MohammadBadir said:
"the last time Nintendo spent any time on the technological cutting edge - the Nintendo 64 era"

Everybody's always forgetting the GameCube ;(

Yup and people forget that the main reasons Nintendo did poorly in those two generations was because of their hubris.  For the N64, they chose carts when all of their 3rd party partners wanted larger storage mediums and lost 3rd party support because of it -- the loss of Squaresoft was probably the one that hurt the most since they were the one 3rd party company that Nintendo could not afford to lose in Japan.  For the gamecube, they disregarded online when it was the big thing everyone wanted and tried to hold onto local multiplay because they didn't want to lose all that extra peripheral money nor spend the money towards an online infrastructure.

This hybrid thing though?  I hate it the way it's being presented in these Eurogamer rumors because it's a solution that doesn't satisfy anyone.  It's probably going to be too expensive to satisfy handheld people and too weak to satisfy console people.  That's why I think we're not getting the complete picture and what Eurogamer is presenting is (at best) only a piece of the puzzle.



wombat123 said:
MohammadBadir said:
"the last time Nintendo spent any time on the technological cutting edge - the Nintendo 64 era"

Everybody's always forgetting the GameCube ;(

Yup and people forget that the main reasons Nintendo did poorly in those two generations was because of their hubris.  For the N64, they chose carts when all of their 3rd party partners wanted larger storage mediums and lost 3rd party support because of it -- the loss of Squaresoft was probably the one that hurt the most since they were the one 3rd party company that Nintendo could not afford to lose in Japan.  For the gamecube, they disregarded online when it was the big thing everyone wanted and tried to hold onto local multiplay because they didn't want to lose all that extra peripheral money nor spend the money towards an online infrastructure.

This hybrid thing though?  I hate it the way it's being presented in these Eurogamer rumors because it's a solution that doesn't satisfy anyone.  It's probably going to be too expensive to satisfy handheld people and too weak to satisfy console people.  That's why I think we're not getting the complete picture and what Eurogamer is presenting is (at best) only a piece of the puzzle.

Exact same thing I said in other threads lol. I expect anything at this point, we already know Nintendo's so out of touch that it hurts.



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i agree that being different is there best option



SuperNova said:
MohammadBadir said:
"the last time Nintendo spent any time on the technological cutting edge - the Nintendo 64 era"

Everybody's always forgetting the GameCube ;(

That bugs me as well. It's only been two generations since Nintendo had the most powerful console on the market, yet everyone is always pretending like they never delivered cutting edge. Until the Wii they really only followed the 'cheap, mature parts' strategy established by Gunpei Yokoi for the gameboy in their mobile consoles.

They also set technological precedents like true 64 bit consoles (iirc) with the N64 and using PowerPC with the GameCube.



bunchanumbers said:
Sickening if true. Nintendo had better options and ignored them. Polaris 11 offers 2.5 TFs and retails for $99. They could have made a nice console with this. Instead we're going to get a 2 year old mobile chip. Not too industry leading to me.

The RX 460 hits 2.157TFlops at 1206Mhz, still you're right about the rest.

TBH NX could have a base dock, with that GPU inside and a smaller AMD APU in the tablet, then also share gaming workloads over wifi or mobile internet to allow for current gen Xbox and Playstation levels of graphics on the go. Nintendo could partner with a mobile ISP to create a PS+/XBL style subscription, which also allows people to have mobile internet on the device and play their games anywhere.

Nintendo doesn't even need to wait for Zen, they could just forgo having it be a part of an APU/SOC and use it in an MCM, like they did with Wii U.

Considering that Microsoft were also able to get Backwards Compatibility into XB1, to run 360 games, even though they went with AMD for their CPU there's nothing stopping Nintendo from doing something similar with NX, so that they can run Wii U and maybe even Wii games on the portable console.

There seems to be way too many negatives involved in using Nvidia, especially in going with Tegra.

 

AMD leads in the console industry, they would fit the bill of providing industry leading chips, within the dedicated gaming device market. No one said the chips in NX were industry leading compared to the PC or Server markets.

RX 460 would certainly be a cost effective, energy efficient option for Nintendo to use, Nintendo could easily put out a system that is both a console and a portable, with superior performance compared to PS4 for $299. Seems like a base dock with 2.2TFlops of AMD hardware, which can stream games or share workloads with an incluced tablet device would be far more interesting than a weak portable console/tablet device, with detachable controllers.

Don't get me wrong, I like the design in Eurogamer's NX diagram, the ability to play local multiplayer anywhere is great, but the lack of hardware performance and built in, familiar technology for developers to have access to just seems like a waste too me.

Nintendo would at least have a fighting chance to get reasonable 3rd party support in going with AMD's own GPU tech. Hell they could just stick with cheaper 28nm tech for the console part and then use 14nm for the handheld to house more power efficient tech for on the go.

 

AMD still makes more logical sense too me.



MohammadBadir said:
wombat123 said:

Yup and people forget that the main reasons Nintendo did poorly in those two generations was because of their hubris.  For the N64, they chose carts when all of their 3rd party partners wanted larger storage mediums and lost 3rd party support because of it -- the loss of Squaresoft was probably the one that hurt the most since they were the one 3rd party company that Nintendo could not afford to lose in Japan.  For the gamecube, they disregarded online when it was the big thing everyone wanted and tried to hold onto local multiplay because they didn't want to lose all that extra peripheral money nor spend the money towards an online infrastructure.

This hybrid thing though?  I hate it the way it's being presented in these Eurogamer rumors because it's a solution that doesn't satisfy anyone.  It's probably going to be too expensive to satisfy handheld people and too weak to satisfy console people.  That's why I think we're not getting the complete picture and what Eurogamer is presenting is (at best) only a piece of the puzzle.

Exact same thing I said in other threads lol. I expect anything at this point, we already know Nintendo's so out of touch that it hurts.

Yeah, the only way this even comes close to working to me is if the SCD is an actual thing.  At least in that scenario the console owners get something good.  Honestly though, I think either this hybrid is one form factor for the NX  or Eurogamer got taken for a ride.



wombat123 said:

Yeah, the only way this even comes close to working is if the SCD is an actual thing.  At least in that scenario the console owners get something good.  Honestly though, I think either this hybrid is one form factor for the NX  or Eurogamer got taken for a ride.

The scary thing is that all this is right up in Nintendo's alley. They'd do it. They'd release such a device and go all WiiU2.