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WolfpackN64 said:
man-bear-pig said:
Since libtard isnt allowed and liberal doesn't fit or make sense in the context because I myself would be socially liberal I've changed the title to just corbyn supporter

Corbyn is a Socialist, not a liberal. You're labeling your own sister wrongly with the wrong label.

The fact that she's a corbyn supporter doesn't mean she's a socialist; she knows absolutely nothing about politics. I stand by the original description that she's a libtard.



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I've never gotten why people are so fast to judge people for their political opinions.

I mean unless you're part of a hate group, eveyone wants to make the country a better place, but disagree on the best way to do it.

I live in a very rich area Sweden, and it's a great place with some of the best people I've ever met. People who tend to have traveled the world and are tolerant and intelligent. Yet, I have have some friends on the opposite side of the spectrum, who are hardcore communists, who are great people too.

And you're ashamed that a family member votes for a different mainstream party that you do? Please. Maybe it's your sister who should be ashamed of you.



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Nothing wrong with having different political opinions throughout the family, I'm not a fan of Corbyn but had some good discussions on politics with one of my cousin who is all for Corbyn. You can speak about politics with them and you will find there is plenty you will both agree on and plenty where your opinions will differ.



man-bear-pig said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Corbyn is a Socialist, not a liberal. You're labeling your own sister wrongly with the wrong label.

The fact that she's a corbyn supporter doesn't mean she's a socialist; she knows absolutely nothing about politics. I stand by the original description that she's a libtard.

I know a lot of Corbyn supporters. Their heart seems to be in the right place, but they seem a little bit detached from the reality of how things work and why his policies would most likely be devastating all around. (Just a generalisation from the ones I am friends with/talk to).

 

There are certainly some ugly factions in his fanbase. But overall I think his support is people who want idealism without having to personally sacrifice anything. Champagne socialists would sum up the ones I know.



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O.P - Why are you against the belief that everybody should have equal rights and equal opportunities? Why is it embarrassing to support that?

The media are massively biased against Corbyn because they know that he doesn't like them and would demand more taxes to be paid by them and other large corporations, hence why if you look to any media outlet (T.V, Newspapers etc.) they slate him and love to focus on all of the negatives that happen to him.

Compare that to our un-elected Tory government, they hate the poor and dis-advantaged, so continue to put them under the cosh and squeeze them for every penny they've got, all whilst claiming massive amounts of money in expenses on top of their £100 000+ salary.

Corbyns M.P's have been very dishonest and have basically stabbed him in the back and destroyed their own parties reputation, all by jumping on him for supporting what he believes in - these are the people that have joined the party in recent years, and can only be called 'Blairites', or Tory-juniors.

O.P - could you please tell us your political beliefs btw, I'm interested to know what you are in support of and against.

-Sam



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Has momentum infiltrated VGC now?

Unelected Tory government? Lol whether you agree with FPTP or not (I'd rather a shift to a more PR based system) to call them unelected is a pretty ridiculous claim.

 

As for the rest of the post, just as ignorant as your "unelected" claim. And this is why so many people struggle to take many JC supporters seriously.



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MikeRox said:

Has momentum infiltrated VGC now?

Unelected Tory government? Lol whether you agree with FPTP or not (I'd rather a shift to a more PR based system) to call them unelected is a pretty ridiculous claim.

 

As for the rest of the post, just as ignorant as your "unelected" claim. And this is why so many people struggle to take many JC supporters seriously.

Un-eleceted, as in Teresa May was not elected in a general election

My post may have come across as ignorant, but so was the O.P's, how is it hard to take a Corbyn supporter seriously while most political debates are based on complete defiance and ignorance against another party?

 -Sam 



Nobody has ever voted for a prime minister in this country unless they happen to live in the constituency of the leader the biggest party. Just like if (when) Corbyn survives this leadership challenge and goes into the next general election, nobody outside of Islington will have the opportunity to vote for him. Parties pick the potential prime minister, not the electorate.

Personally I think the OP is overly harsh towards Corbyn and his supporters. But I am far from a fan of his and think if he were ever to get the top job, it would be a disaster.

 

I don't think he is capable of winning a general election and pretty much guarantees Theresa May will meet your definition of an elected leader in the future. But he is more than welcome to try and prove me wrong.



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MikeRox said:
man-bear-pig said:

The fact that she's a corbyn supporter doesn't mean she's a socialist; she knows absolutely nothing about politics. I stand by the original description that she's a libtard.

I know a lot of Corbyn supporters. Their heart seems to be in the right place, but they seem a little bit detached from the reality of how things work and why his policies would most likely be devastating all around. (Just a generalisation from the ones I am friends with/talk to).

 

There are certainly some ugly factions in his fanbase. But overall I think his support is people who want idealism without having to personally sacrifice anything. Champagne socialists would sum up the ones I know.

Unfortunately, misguided idealism without sacrifice is so prominent in politics that it often clouds more practical ideas and creates a deadlock where nothing gets done for years. It's ironic that people want change, sometimes even radical change, but not change in my backyard.



MikeRox said:

Nobody has ever voted for a prime minister in this country unless they happen to live in the constituency of the leader the biggest party. Just like if (when) Corbyn survives this leadership challenge and goes into the next general election, nobody outside of Islington will have the opportunity to vote for him. Parties pick the potential prime minister, not the electorate.

Personally I think the OP is overly harsh towards Corbyn and his supporters. But I am far from a fan of his and think if he were ever to get the top job, it would be a disaster.

 

I don't think he is capable of winning a general election and pretty much guarantees Theresa May will meet your definition of an elected leader in the future. But he is more than welcome to try and prove me wrong.

 Ok so you vote for the party not the leader in the GE, but I think most people vote for the the leader not the party, hence why Corbyn has no chance of winning.

 Even though I support and agree with Corbyn's ideals, I also agree that he's not the top man for the job, though I don't think it'd be a disaster, just not as good as it could be however. That said I don't think that the Tories have done us many favours in their tenure (as a working class Northerner). 

 The Tories being in control is probably the best option we have at this moment in time, with the whole Brexit deal going on, I think that they'd be able to get the best deal from the EU and beyond. 

 I think that moving forward we need a more left-wing leader, who'll try their utmost to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor, and also improve equality.

 

 -Sam